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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Anybody else find it strange that having students out of school for another few months for their teachers to be vaccinated is being painted as the most important thing in the world when they've already been out of school for a year? It's fine to mourn the damage that's been done from kids being locked up for a year. To act like the marginal damage from adding a few more months to that year is murder, that's political…

My daughter has been doing exactly that all year as a teacher in a private school. My son has been attending full day class in a private school long before vaccinations were available. This has been true for private schools all around the country (fortunately w we don't have teachers unions who think they deserve extra special protection, more than everyone else in society). And guess what? No problems. Wash your han…

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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The big, open question is why Florida and California have seen such similar case rates despite radically different approaches.

There's less difference than their public policies might suggest. Reportedly lots of senior citizens in Florida voluntarily social-distanced themselves from everybody. The press reported on square dancing and packed beaches, but the anecdotes I heard were that vulnerable individuals were taking things very seriously (despite the lack of restrictions) and self-quarantining away from everyone else. Meanwhile, in SoCal,…

> Meanwhile, in SoCal, basically nobody followed the mask mandates and social distancing restrictions.

Huh? I’m from SoCal and almost everyone wears masks here all the time, all shops require masks on entrances, so I’m not sure where this narrative comes from?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any m…

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

As a resident of New Orleans I would like to speak for my city and tell you to go jump in the nearest body of water

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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The fallout of all of this will take years to unravel, and it all likely points to overkill. Was it justified given uncertainty (i.e. prepare for the p90 or p95 outcome)? Possibly. But what I saw from the leadership class the last year was a complete disregard for the concerns of the little people and their livelihoods. Once things got politicized re: Trump, the most polarizing american political figure of my lifetim…

And, yet, were there significant differences in behavior in Europe overall?

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

Catholic schools opened in all states that allowed them to, and there hasn’t been - to my knowledge - any outbreak of Catholic COVID.

The Archbishop of New Orleans is working hard on this. Don’t count him out yet.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Do you have any proof that that would have increased depression rates in children relative to what we see today? And an 8 digit body count would be impossible in the US for a disease with a >99% survival rate. So quit the hyperbole.

There's about a 3% death rate[1] when hospitals aren't flooded with sick people, and the death rate hits double digits when the healthcare system is DDOS'd by sick patients, as we've seen in Italy. The hospitalization rate is about 10%. If everyone in the US got COVID, and 1% of them died, that would be 3.3 million people dead and over 30 million hospitalized. If the death rate is 3%, 9.85 million would die. I don't…

3% CFR, not IFR. Even Spain hit only a 1.2% IFR early in the pandemic (https://covid19-projections.com/about/#assumptions)

The worst-case realistic number of deaths for the US is around 1.2 million. With hospital collapses, maybe double that. 10 million is not possible.

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It’s not the whole country. It’s largely the propagation of fear from the media and the teachers unions who don’t want to work (and the politicians trying to push large stimulus checks to the unions). For instance, Florida never shut down schools. In contrast, Chicago and SF teachers unions are/were pushing to keep schools closed. The “science” (note: much of it is not peer reviewed) thus far indicates it’s safe to o…

The teachers I know have been working harder under lockdown than they did during in person.

And the students I know all say the teachers are phoning it in...

Anecdotes aren't useful here. I suspect once the data starts coming out, we'll see some serious educational deficits in most kids.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Couldn’t a kid go to school, pick it up, recover flawlessly since kids do, but give it to their overweight parent who dies? It’s not just the kids…

That is a risk, but that risk needs to be weighed against the known risk of keeping them detained.

I have exactly zero sympathy for the children not being able to go to school in person. Schools aren't in my opinion places where we park children through the day. We have completely overloaded schools to be anything and everything children and it is ridiculous.

If there needs to be outrage, it should be against monopolies like Comcast which has said it will expand data caps to more markets this year. I for one would support life in prison for the current Comcast CEO as well as dismantling the company and making an example out of it.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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I am neither in the U.S. nor a student, not even an extrovert - and I still feel the effects of our local lockdown on my mental stability. So does my wife, who is usually more resilient than I am. This will have a lot of subtle consequences down the line.

Speaking for myself: the biggest consequence for me, in terms of mental health, has been the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others. It was a choice I made years ago; I wanted to be the sort of person that believed those things, even when there was occasional evidence to the contrary. But 2020 brought a trifecta of social stress that laid bar…

> the total erosion of my belief that most people were basically good, and decent, and cared about the welfare of others

Oh my god, this. When the pandemic is over, I’ll be left with the knowledge that a significant fraction of the people around me at any given moment wouldn’t lift a finger for someone else if it meant even the slightest inconvenience or discomfort for them. I don’t know how to recover from that.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

It is never about the children.

It is always about he teachers unions using students and children to accomplish a political goal. If you do not raise teacher pay, you are hurting children. Do not fund education in the next funding round, hurting the children.

The second the teachers needed to be brave and show what bravery was, they buckled, hid, and showed that it was all bluster.

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