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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by s1artibartfast »

reaperducer wrote: post #79
monocasa wrote: post #30

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They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

For what it is worth, the total COVID death count for under 18 in the US is 200. This includes children with serious risk factors eg cancer, immune disorders, etc

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Post by adolph »

_Microft wrote: post #135
adolph wrote: post #81

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The interdependence of humans means that no lockdown could be hard or long enough and the independence of humans means that nobody would actually live under such a hypothetical regime anyway (starting at the top especially). As it stands the worst of both worlds was erected, a lockdown too soft to effectively “eradicate” the virus and too hard to prevent the economic and psychological ills that have predictably prese…

We do not talk eradication here. It already worked fine during the first lockdown last year. At the end we were down to numbers at which tracing contacts and quarantining them worked quite fine for a while. This would have been an acceptable level where people would have been able to do quite a lot of things but not everything. A lot of people overdid it though. Parties, weddings, ... if nothing had ever happened. Un…

How can you tell a difference between something that “worked fine” and the natural seasonality of the virus?

How can you measure the effectiveness of “quite a lot of things” over “everything?”

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Post by jacob2484 »

WalterGR wrote: post #239
jacob2484 wrote: post #201

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Unemployment rates for one. But now, numbers are skewed because we printed billions of dollars to bail out California.

we printed billions of dollars to bail out California. Do you have a (non-opinion piece) citation for this from a reputable source?

California’s robust budget will get another $26 billion from new COVID-19 stimulus

- https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-11/californ...

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Post by chii »

ipaddr wrote: post #346
hiram112 wrote: post #236

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Well let's say there was one extra suicide caused by lockdowns. And we know that something like 2/3 of Covid "deaths" are occurring in nursing homes among very elderly who, statistically, might live a year or so longer had they not got Covid. If we're comparing years of life, isn't one 16 year old worth 60-70 85 year olds in nursing homes? Maybe more because one year in the life of an 84 year old who's already experi…

Lockdowns have made a big difference. Places like New Zealand have 0 cases. The half lockdowns have lower but mixed results. An 80 year old has a lot of life in them. Some may have a year or two but others will have 20 or 30 years left.

even if the 80 yr old has 20 yrs of life left, it still means that a 16 yr old is worth at least 3 80 yr olds.

and the 80 yr olds do not contribute to the economy or work, and is indeed a "burden" (sad to say, but they can't really sustain themselves without external resources, as their economic value output is zero). The 16 yr old will likely contribute to society for 40 years at least.

i'm not saying the lockdowns weren't necessary - they were. I'm saying that the costs are high, and society has asked the young to make a sacrifice for the elderly, and yet has not gotten much in return. At least some token appreciation for them is the least that can be done. After all, we praise the servicemen/women for their war efforts, well into their years, and i don't see this as being that different.

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Post by catholicparent »

My eldest started kindergarten this year at our local parochial school. We’re so happy they did “in-person”. It was a great success

Effect on my kid:

1. My kid was getting really weird by the end o August, after not seeing other peers since March. Her mental well being changed completely.

2. English is not her native tongue, and KG have her a great opportunity to catch up before starting 1st. grade

The role of the school:

1. The school has had three cases of COVID all year (k-Gr8. Maybe about 320 kids?). There was no spread of COVID to others.

2. The school implemented a strict regiment to ensure safety. They had strict rules, and trusted the parents to respect them.

3. Only once were we asked to go “online” for two weeks because one of the three cases was a faculty member that worked in our class. That person had gottenCOVID elsewhere and was quickly identified due to periodic testing.

4. Parents were (are) offered virtual learning. No one I know took it except a women who gave birth in January; she pulled her kid once the baby was born.

Overall the gratitude my family has of our parochial school is immense. Tuition is very cheap (much cheaper than day care), and it’d be free if we couldn’t afford it.

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Post by catholicparent »

optimiz3 wrote: post #156
koolba wrote: post #109

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Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any m…

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership he…

Catholic schools opened in all states that allowed them to, and there hasn’t been - to my knowledge - any outbreak of Catholic COVID.

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Post by fullshark »

The fallout of all of this will take years to unravel, and it all likely points to overkill. Was it justified given uncertainty (i.e. prepare for the p90 or p95 outcome)? Possibly. But what I saw from the leadership class the last year was a complete disregard for the concerns of the little people and their livelihoods. Once things got politicized re: Trump, the most polarizing american political figure of my lifetime, it became even worse in multiple directions.

Very few people come out looking good in this, except the scientists and regulators who pushed the vaccine forward.

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Post by Fomite »

undefined1 wrote: post #364
reaperducer wrote: post #79

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Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

is there evidence that schools have meaningfully contributed to Covid spread?

https://amp.freep.com/amp/4733689001

"The total number of COVID-19 outbreaks statewide rose this week by 9% over last week to 645. The biggest proportion of outbreaks are tied to the K-12 school setting, Lyon-Callo said.

Children ages 10-19 now have the highest COVID-19 case rate in Michigan, a rate that "is increasing faster than that of other age groups" she said. School-related outbreaks, she explained, aren't all tied to the classroom setting. Many are linked to sports and other gatherings among students."

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

schrodinger wrote: post #367
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #335

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The false assumption here is that making kids stay home for a year saves a single life from covid. It doesn't - the kids have a better survival rate than they do from the flu, and the people who are at risk are overwhelmingly not getting it from kids. Do a cost-benefit analysis. Keeping kids in detention fails it every time.

Couldn’t a kid go to school, pick it up, recover flawlessly since kids do, but give it to their overweight parent who dies? It’s not just the kids…

That is a risk, but that risk needs to be weighed against the known risk of keeping them detained.

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Post by aaron695 »

reaperducer wrote: post #79
monocasa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

>> Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

> Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion.

Here's a real unpopular opinion - "Epstein did nothing wrong"

Here's a popular opinion people hide behind saying it's unpopular - "Epstein didn't kill himself"

"unpopular opinion" "I know I'll be downvoted"

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