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Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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There are lots of projects working on peace, health and poverty where someone with your skills could could help or work.

Do you mind telling me about some projects in those fields(health specially)?. I'm learning about data mining/machine learning and I'd love to know how this fields are applied to solve important problems and what I can do to help.

don't have specific projects on a list that fits you, but I am sure there are projects out there which needs you help, both projects where you can volunteer or where you can get a job. For a start you could check out our list of health and IT projects in our system, for organisations which work in this area.

http://www.akvo.org/rsr/projects/healthcare/?page=1

Four years ago I was telling people in a session about water and development aid that they should use modern IT and web tools to do their work more effectively. As a result I ended up talking to Jeroen van der Sommen, now our chairman, and we decided to start Akvo.org to provide those tools. There is a huge need for IT tools in humanitarian aid and development work. You could be working on that if you are interested.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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I know three very bright, young graduates who have decided to enter the Financial industry (i.e. Algorithmic Trading). One has a Bachelor's in Physics & CS, another a Bachelor's in Physics & Math, and the other is finishing a PhD in Astrophysics. They view the Financial industry as an intellectually stimulating game (I don't disagree), and an opportunity to make 6-figures in their early 20s. This really disappoints m…

Research is only possible because of the economic surpluses made possible because of, among other things, liquid capital markets. Who do you think pays for CERN, the LHC, et al? Ordinary taxpayers doing those jobs you think are "disappointing". Maybe if scientists disparage them enough, they'll stop paying...

Most of finance these days is finding ways to subvert actual trading of value and dilution of risk, instead attacking (in the security sense) currencies and markets.

While markets and liquidity are helpful to the world the finance workers don't deserve credit for it - they're just workers in someone else's system for one, and usually predators at that.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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>But, but, but... thanks to modern technology, aren't there so many better options for seriously smart folks with physics and math degrees? If people want to pursue money, who are you to judge? See, I don't think you quite get how much this sentiment pisses me off. I'm 19. I just got a bachelor's in physics. I've done research in a bunch of fields. And I'm going into graduate school next year. People who think I'm so…

Sure, spend your life working on whatever you want, even something selfish. It does decrease what you could do elsewhere and as such has opportunity costs, but as you say it's your choice. But "finance" means theft these days. It's only wildly profitable because our economic/justice system is fundamentally flawed and nobody is allowed to stop playing. That would be disappointing to see a useful person seduced by. Not…

>But "finance" means theft these days. It's only wildly profitable because our economic/justice system is fundamentally flawed and nobody is allowed to stop playing.

'tis the voters' fault, though, isn't it? The quants didn't ask for the system to be the way it is.

If anything, they, by exploiting this flaw, act to expose it, making it more visible and more likely to be fixed. Imagine if more grad students did this. You'd drive the stock market to collapse so many times -- at least in theory, 'cuz you're basically draining it like a pool, and it's a finite pool -- the government would be -forced- to give up on its newfound policy of Too Big to Fail.

Conversely, the fact that students continue to enter grad school despite the skyrocketing financial inadvisability therein, this only serves to swell what is apparently a labor excess even further. If universities had to compete for grad students on price, stipends would increase! Those who enter grad school out of some sense of altruism actually do their fellow students a disservice.

...so, having read that, what the fuck am I doing, you ask? Well, I'm just avoiding people I can't stand to be around. I like professors; I hate managers. My perceived-value-of-research is skewed. As an added bonus academics posess a level of freedom on par with the super-rich; if some University wants you to immigrate to a country in order to do research, you're waived right in. A PhD carries the sort of international mobility that's I think is kind of useful having been born in a sinking ship. In America it's called the O-1, but most countries have an analog. Paul Erdos was one of the only people who could cross the Iron Curtain unscathed. My aunt and uncle, who inspired me to go into physics, worked whatever hours they felt like and could wear t-shirts and sandals to work -- they were physicists working for the US Navy.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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It's easy to under-estimate the value web technologies provide their users, because it's hard to visualise large numbers of people. It's the well known "your brain doesn't naturally multiply" problem. Let's say you have a technology product that does something pretty trivial, but has non-zero value. Let's say you do something that's worth about 30c per day of utility to each user. If you give this value to 10 million…

The comparison with meth is closer than you think. As the other comment says many people Facebook more than they enjoy doing so. If you really charged them for it, to establish this value, they've vanish in a second.

Not that I'm saying it's inherently un-enjoyable, but FB develops the best system for FB, not for its users.

Not just that its all about ad delivery, but FB is famous for time wasting games that keep you coming back even when you aren't having any fun, using guilt trips. The value FB is creating is for advertisers, and only secondarily for the users being advertised to.

And it's not like FB created the social-networking value from nothing. They consolidated a lot on one page. Enabling chat and homepage in one package, etc, has value, but that's essentially it. The value of FB is email + chat + games + photos + single-package convenience - inconvenience.

The convenience of service consolidation is balanced by the inconvenience of FB being a monopoly (if something goes wrong you can always get another email provider, try getting another FB provider), the inconvenience of them sharing your personal info with developers, the lack of differentiation between family, friends, and acquaintances, etc.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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Cassandra, ha ha ha. Gotta love how inconsistent that thing is. HipHop, have you tried it? I think that technology only works for them.

Care to elaborate on your dislike of Cassandra?

My dislike with cassandra is probably because of the user experience in facebook.

You post a comment or a picture and it's not consistent at all for all users. Comments will appear in the wrong order (responses before questions sometimes), or people won't see the pictures you posted until 4 to 5 hours later. With Google you just don't get that kind of things, ever.

Maybe it's only a problem for facebook due to its scale, maybe the replication rules they have set are a bit more strict and they will delay the process on purpose to avoid unnecessary writes (in case users want to delete content a few minutes later)

Then as a more psychotic/personal taste matter, I love the way MongoDB documentation is presented. Cassandra's documentation on MoinMoin looks so 2002 but that's something most people will live without any problems.

Please don't take my opinion about Cassandra seriously because I've not tried it at all. In our shop we tried Hadoop's HBase, then we tried MongoDB and since it worked for us we didn't keep trying (mostly because of what we think of Facebook as a technology company... php... their joke of an android api which made the news... our bad impression of hip hop [so long and so much resources to compile, at least when it came out], that when we saw Cassandra being used by facebook we just said no way, it's reputation was tainted by facebook in our eyes)

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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It's easy to under-estimate the value web technologies provide their users, because it's hard to visualise large numbers of people. It's the well known "your brain doesn't naturally multiply" problem. Let's say you have a technology product that does something pretty trivial, but has non-zero value. Let's say you do something that's worth about 30c per day of utility to each user. If you give this value to 10 million…

Personally, what I'd like to discuss is if there is any moral value that Facebook provides. Does Facebook actually benefit society? (Maybe more precisely we can ask whether Facebook fulfills an aspect of Maslow's hierarchy of needs).

I just keep hearing the word 'value' used over and over here and it frustrates me that it is so often only associated with 'business value' rather than something more morally significant.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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Care to elaborate on your dislike of Cassandra?

My dislike with cassandra is probably because of the user experience in facebook. You post a comment or a picture and it's not consistent at all for all users. Comments will appear in the wrong order (responses before questions sometimes), or people won't see the pictures you posted until 4 to 5 hours later. With Google you just don't get that kind of things, ever. Maybe it's only a problem for facebook due to its sc…

Cassandra is highly tuneable in terms of consistency and propagation, the vagaries of Facebook's particular(ly huge) deployment I can't speak to, but generally speaking you can make it have almost any properties you like.

MongoDB lacks that flexibility, but I like it too, for other reasons.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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Sure, spend your life working on whatever you want, even something selfish. It does decrease what you could do elsewhere and as such has opportunity costs, but as you say it's your choice. But "finance" means theft these days. It's only wildly profitable because our economic/justice system is fundamentally flawed and nobody is allowed to stop playing. That would be disappointing to see a useful person seduced by. Not…

>But "finance" means theft these days. It's only wildly profitable because our economic/justice system is fundamentally flawed and nobody is allowed to stop playing. 'tis the voters' fault, though, isn't it? The quants didn't ask for the system to be the way it is. If anything, they, by exploiting this flaw, act to expose it, making it more visible and more likely to be fixed. Imagine if more grad students did this.…

>> [broken economy, can't stop playing] > 'tis the voters' fault, though, isn't it? The quants didn't ask for the system to be the way it is.

Not the voters. Voting can't fix anything because politicians can't be held to their campaign promises.

But it is the citizens' fault in that we don't do something about the existing laws that cover this malfeasance that aren't being used to stop it, or more importantly, about how voting doesn't work.

> If anything, they, by exploiting this flaw, act to expose it, making it more visible and more likely to be fixed.

That line of reasoning is only valid if those same quants would accept me emptying out their bank accounts by exploiting some bank vulnerability. (Such as your birthday and mother's maiden name always being used as the master identity check.)

> the government would be -forced- to give up on its newfound policy of Too Big to Fail.

Reality based government. Sigh. That would be nice. I thought they always had that policy where banks were concerned though?

> Imagine if more grad students did this.

If they were trying to bring it down, like exploiting a security flaw to get it fixed, it would only take one.

> academics posess a level of freedom on par with the super-rich; if some University wants you to immigrate to a country in order to do research, you're waived right in.

Good point, freedom and a license for eccentricity in one package. Very helpful in a world quickly stuffing air-travelers into terrorist/not-terrorist boxes based on your sense of humor inside the airport, etc.

> A PhD carries the sort of international mobility that's I think is kind of useful having been born in a sinking ship.

Makes me think of the Titanic, too big to sink!

Got any idea where to go? Start a hacker/scientist enclave in an abandoned mine?

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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It's easy to under-estimate the value web technologies provide their users, because it's hard to visualise large numbers of people. It's the well known "your brain doesn't naturally multiply" problem. Let's say you have a technology product that does something pretty trivial, but has non-zero value. Let's say you do something that's worth about 30c per day of utility to each user. If you give this value to 10 million…

Personally, what I'd like to discuss is if there is any moral value that Facebook provides. Does Facebook actually benefit society? (Maybe more precisely we can ask whether Facebook fulfills an aspect of Maslow's hierarchy of needs). I just keep hearing the word 'value' used over and over here and it frustrates me that it is so often only associated with 'business value' rather than something more morally significant…

FB is important in letting me keep a full but just-in-time social calendar. I don't want to plan going out a weeknight far in advance, or even necessarily a big night on a weekend. But often I do want to go out. Facebook makes it easier to organise these things at a moment's notice. This is much better than planning ahead, because if you plan ahead you have to keep appointments even if you don't feel like it on the day. So socialising a lot that way gets to be a bit tiring. Doing things on the spur of the moment is better.

For example, the other night a friend hosted a vegan potluck for about 10 people with about four hours notice. That would've been hard to do without Facebook.

Re: All these Brilliant People at Facebook Make Me Sad

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I am working in finance because the professors I knew were not salty enough. I have to do a lot of scut work, and I really am not on an impressive salary, but I see massive real-world problems on a daily basis and get a live view of the things that really matter in the world economy. Running trading algorithms would be pretty pants, but managing risk is not quite so ignoble.

the professors I knew were not salty enough. I have to do a lot of scut work What?

Not Salty - lacking in flavour, meaning lacking life experience, naive, uninteresting.

scut work: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scut+work Noun 1. scut work - trivial, unrewarding, tedious, dirty, and disagreeable chores; "the hospital hired him to do scut work" shitwork chore, job, task - a specific piece of work required to be done as a duty or for a specific fee; "estimates of the city's loss on that job ranged as high as a million dollars"; "the job of repairing the engine took several hours"; "the endless task of classifying the samples"; "the farmer's morning chores"

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