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Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always Be a Level 2 System

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This is a scary video of FSD beta 8.2 driving around the streets of Oakland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs

I am scared by how much the detection boxes flicker and disappear randomly, it indicates how unsure the system is.

it does not. what it indicates is that detection is done per-frame and there’s no continuity across frames of detector information.

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Look from a consumer standpoint why would I want a system like this? I mean aside from the toy factor, why would I trust it? I can’t take a nap while it’s driving. I can’t look at a screen or read a book. I have to in fact be more on alert than when I am driving because when I am driving I know what my inputs into the car are and I just need to worry about the external inputs (shape of the road, traffic, signs, road…

I would love something like this for the longer, boring, predictable drives. For example the I5 drive from LA to SF. That's a pretty straightforward, predictable and mostly uneventful 6h drive that seems straightforward to delegate to a machine. There are no pedestrians, no intersections, nothing crossing the street. The main dangers would be around objects on the road, other vehicles getting in a crash or doing some…

I've done enough really boring driving to find that about once in every N hours (depending on the road) a very NOT boring event will occur, requiring immediate and correct response. I don't think any road exists without that happening.

Yes this is making the assumption that, when the unexpected occurs, an experienced human driver still outperforms whatever self driving code may be running.

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I think this title and article are overstating things, are clickbait:

>"[A] final release of City Streets will continue to be an SAE Level 2, advanced driver-assistance feature," continued Williams. "Please note that Tesla’s development of true autonomous features (SAE Levels 3+) will follow our iterative process (development, validation, early release, etc.) and any such features will not be released to the general public until we have fully validated them and received any required regulatory permits or approvals."

City Streets is a feature of the current offering, not what Tesla apparently intends to deliver in finality.

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Slightly misleading headline. The Tesla spokesperson said the 'Auto Steering on City Streets', which is the formal name of the feature currently in beta, will remain hands on, basically because it's illegal to do anything otherwise. That doesn't mean they aren't pursuing FSD and won't release it to the public, but that it needs to be done with regulatory approval.

That’s what I read two days ago when I saw the same headline too

I don’t really understand how people are able to extrapolate flawed conclusions like this

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post #12

Slightly misleading headline. The Tesla spokesperson said the 'Auto Steering on City Streets', which is the formal name of the feature currently in beta, will remain hands on, basically because it's illegal to do anything otherwise. That doesn't mean they aren't pursuing FSD and won't release it to the public, but that it needs to be done with regulatory approval.

Exactly! And by 2019 Teslas will be driving themselves from LA to NY with no driver intervention.

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Much as I'd love to have L5 self-driving today, it would probably be at least a little funny to see the number of people on this board insisting it would be available in 2018 or 2019 and certainly not many years out.

It probably is funny, although it is still infuriating as fuck to read people claiming that there is no need to invest in public transportation because self driving cars are right around the corner.

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This is a scary video of FSD beta 8.2 driving around the streets of Oakland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs

I hate how the passenger is absolutely amazed and always commenting how well the car handles some minor tasks while it fails miserably at double parking, turning, and most importantly driving predictably for other cars. The driver is luckily a lot more skeptical but that could be attributed to the fact the he is the one being highly alert and keeping the car from running into things.

When you consider that a lot of Tesla drivers are also

a) Elon Musk fanatics

b) shareholders trying to save face on behalf of the company

their reaction makes perfect sense.

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post #11
post #2

This is a scary video of FSD beta 8.2 driving around the streets of Oakland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs

I hate how the passenger is absolutely amazed and always commenting how well the car handles some minor tasks while it fails miserably at double parking, turning, and most importantly driving predictably for other cars. The driver is luckily a lot more skeptical but that could be attributed to the fact the he is the one being highly alert and keeping the car from running into things.

I'm just going to say that to someone who has never experienced such a thing, it is still quite incredible. SV bubble is too real.

Like I get many here were expecting fully self-driving cars by 2020, but even what have right now is kinda mind-boggling.

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It's very strange these days to see headlines about a self-driving setback and be happy about it. I always wanted it as a kid but ever since someone pointed out to me that self-driving cars is the end of personal car ownership I hope it never gets here. Why would a company sell me a car when it can use that same car to generate ten times the income as an autonomous taxi?

Re: Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always Be a Level 2 System

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post #12

Slightly misleading headline. The Tesla spokesperson said the 'Auto Steering on City Streets', which is the formal name of the feature currently in beta, will remain hands on, basically because it's illegal to do anything otherwise. That doesn't mean they aren't pursuing FSD and won't release it to the public, but that it needs to be done with regulatory approval.

Exactly! And by 2019 Teslas will be driving themselves from LA to NY with no driver intervention.

I don’t know which 2019 you were in...
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