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Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always Be a Level 2 System

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Re: Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always Be a Level 2 System

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Post by foepys »

donarb wrote: post #2

This is a scary video of FSD beta 8.2 driving around the streets of Oakland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs

I hate how the passenger is absolutely amazed and always commenting how well the car handles some minor tasks while it fails miserably at double parking, turning, and most importantly driving predictably for other cars.

The driver is luckily a lot more skeptical but that could be attributed to the fact the he is the one being highly alert and keeping the car from running into things.

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Post by mindwok »

Slightly misleading headline. The Tesla spokesperson said the 'Auto Steering on City Streets', which is the formal name of the feature currently in beta, will remain hands on, basically because it's illegal to do anything otherwise. That doesn't mean they aren't pursuing FSD and won't release it to the public, but that it needs to be done with regulatory approval.

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Post by arnaudsm »

donarb wrote: post #2

This is a scary video of FSD beta 8.2 driving around the streets of Oakland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs

I am scared by how much the detection boxes flicker and disappear randomly, it indicates how unsure the system is.

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Post by IgorPartola »

Look from a consumer standpoint why would I want a system like this? I mean aside from the toy factor, why would I trust it? I can’t take a nap while it’s driving. I can’t look at a screen or read a book. I have to in fact be more on alert than when I am driving because when I am driving I know what my inputs into the car are and I just need to worry about the external inputs (shape of the road, traffic, signs, road conditions). With this system I also need to guess what the car’s brain will do which is a lot harder. This would be like always driving with a nervous teenager who is actually operating the car but expects you to take over at any moment because they might mess up. And for the price difference would at some point it be cheaper to just hire a driver?

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Post by InvertedRhodium »

foepys wrote: post #11
donarb wrote: post #2

This is a scary video of FSD beta 8.2 driving around the streets of Oakland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=antLneVlxcs

I hate how the passenger is absolutely amazed and always commenting how well the car handles some minor tasks while it fails miserably at double parking, turning, and most importantly driving predictably for other cars. The driver is luckily a lot more skeptical but that could be attributed to the fact the he is the one being highly alert and keeping the car from running into things.

I think the video works well with the two of them there - it lends some legitimacy to a video that could otherwise be dismissed as he's obviously enamored with the idea while the driver is more skeptical.

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Post by BadassFractal »

IgorPartola wrote: post #17

Look from a consumer standpoint why would I want a system like this? I mean aside from the toy factor, why would I trust it? I can’t take a nap while it’s driving. I can’t look at a screen or read a book. I have to in fact be more on alert than when I am driving because when I am driving I know what my inputs into the car are and I just need to worry about the external inputs (shape of the road, traffic, signs, road…

I would love something like this for the longer, boring, predictable drives.

For example the I5 drive from LA to SF. That's a pretty straightforward, predictable and mostly uneventful 6h drive that seems straightforward to delegate to a machine. There are no pedestrians, no intersections, nothing crossing the street. The main dangers would be around objects on the road, other vehicles getting in a crash or doing something unpredictable next to you, animals running onto the path of the vehicle. As a human you might actually be worse equipped to react to in time compared to a car.

That one use-case alone where the car drives itself on the I5 while I read a book or watch a movie would be worth something. The human can handle the quirks of the more treacherous local roads. I'd still prefer a bullet train of some kind, but in its absence, this would be a decent climate-friendly alternative that doesn't require a giant plane getting up in the sky for a 50 min flight.

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