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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by barney54 »

zabzonk wrote: post #97
christkv wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of European countries kept schools open during most of the pandemic so the answer is quit simple not much. I don’t know what studies you are referencing but they don’t seem to be backed by the experience in European countries.

> Lots of European countries kept schools open during most of the pandemic More like "SOME European countries kept schools open during SOME of the pandemic". And look at the state of Covid in the EU now, with infection rates climbing yet again.

France has had school open for much of the last year—when infections were increasing and decreasing. It doesn’t appear that schools are driving the infections.

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Post by sokoloff »

germinalphrase wrote: post #13
cassalian wrote: post #9

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

The US federal gov’t spends about 3x as much on those over the age of 65 than it does those under the age of 18 (including transfer payments to parents of those children)[0]. Personally, I think that should be flipped, but kid’s don’t vote. [0] https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/23x...

The overwhelming majority of that spending is social security and other retirement programs which are earned (and often paid-for) benefits from a lifetime of work. The next largest (by far) category is Medicare which was largely, but not entirely, paid for by a lifetime of work.

Take just the retirement program figures out and the figures are much closer to what you prefer. Take out the half of Medicare that was paid for by seniors and it’s even closer.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

croes wrote: post #110
pragmatic8 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if the person is healthy and young, I can’t imagine why it’d be the latter.

Because young and healthy only lowers the probability of dying and not the probability of long term effects. "COVID-19 patients also suffer kidney and lung damage at above-average rates, with kidney failure occurring in more than a third of those who become severely ill. In a few cases, the virus has even been found in spinal fluid. This can trigger an immediate infection in the brain known in medical terms as mening…

> Because young and healthy only lowers the probability of dying and not the probability of long term effects.

Young and healthy lowers the probability not just of dying, but also of a severe course of the disease. Long-term COVID symptoms largely correlate with how severe the course of the disease was. This is something that tends to be emphasized by the actual research, but left out of mass-media reporting, perhaps for the sake of sensationalism.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by decafninja »

Disclaimer: I am not a parent.

Recalling back to my student days, I and my friends would be ecstatic about not going to school for whatever reason. Granted, the most extended no-school period would be the 3 months of summer break. I don't recall any kid ever actually wanting to go to school.

Maybe I'm thinking of this all wrong, but I feel it kind of hard to believe kids aren't liking not having to go to school.

Did school suddenly turn into a utopia of fun and excitement since the decade+ I was last in a classroom?

What I can believe though, is that some kids might be having a hard time not meeting and playing with their friends. But only a small handful of parents seem to be forbidding their kids from doing so anyways, so this still doesn't compute for me.

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Post by optimiz3 »

koolba wrote: post #109
croes wrote: post #77

What would it have been like if the schools had not been closed? If millions had been infected in a short time and the hospitals had been overloaded so that in addition to the deaths from Corona, the deaths from lack of capacity would have been added? How traumatic would that be for the children? Are there any studies on this from New York or Italy? Can the consequences of the lockdown be so cleanly separated from th…

Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any m…

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc.

No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda.

We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools.

There has been zero leadership here.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Post by klyrs »

ilikedthatone wrote: post #92
DC1350 wrote: post #33

I'm not a child (uni student) but I've spent the last year sitting at a computer in my childhood bedroom for 14 hours a day and I'm fucking miserable. My life feels fake since nothing I'm working towards exists in the offline world.

I find this strange as you probably sitting at computer watching some twitch thing for 10 hours ? young people are spending their time with computerized things for many years already ...

You might like cake. Given the choice, you might like to eat cake every day. Maybe it would even take place of breakfast. But what happens if you're only allowed to eat cake?

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Post by XorNot »

reaperducer wrote: post #79
monocasa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too. Kudos for expressing an unpopular opinion. I'll express another one: I think the whole thing about "ZOMG! Suicide rates through the roof!!!elevelty!1!" is blown out of proportion, largely thanks to pseudo-news web sites trying to grab clicks on the internet. The school district where I live put out a press release lamenting an 18%…

It's also worth pointing out that at sample sizes like that (2), you don't have a sample. You have an anomaly at best.

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Post by monocasa »

sokoloff wrote: post #139
monocasa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were balancing it against what they saw in Italy: allowing the virus to get out of hand and overwhelm the hospital system and your death rate from covid jumps into the double digits. Kids would be pretty depressed being surrounded by a 8 digit body count in the US too.

It’s not even clear that the hospitalization rate for COVID cases is over 10%, let alone the case-fatality-rate. In fact, it’s pretty clear that it’s not.

Tell that to Italy. Their death rate was in the double digits when hospital capacity was overrun.

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Post by Tossito190 »

renewiltord wrote: post #73
zamzoid wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Maybe you didn’t intend this (or maybe you’re just trolling??) but this comment comes across as one of the most callous and tone-deaf things I have ever read. Like, Ebenezer Scrooge level. Families who can’t afford to send their children to private schools are clearly negatively affected by this through basically no fault of their own, and I cannot understand why you choose applaud that. Maybe consider deleting…

Okay, I can see how it comes across. Personally, I want America to succeed and I think closing schools is bad for that because we're damaging people who are far more precious than us (the next generation). But people get what people vote for. They could smash the teaching unions if they want to. But they could choose not to. So if you choose a path I warned you about and it hurts you, I'm happy to find some positivit…

I don't recall anybody soliciting the public opinion on action. We didn't vote, we were told. And regardless of partisan approach, I think we'd be in much the same boat. We have no control.
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