The immune system still works as advertised.
And it just so happens, vaccines are made based on knowledge of how the immune system works. Yay science!
Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
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Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also for selfish reasons. I know a 24 year old ballerina (so a professional athlete) who had it two months ago and is now at 80% lung capacity.
And to pile on this, I know a triathelete in my group, 24 years old, who had it in April of LAST YEAR and is still not at 100% (can't do any hard aerobics without getting wildly out of breath). We are still in a pandemic. Stay distant.
I have a coworker that never went to the ICU but can no longer taste or smell. Their family was never at a high risk and only felt normally sick. None the less the damage is done. No one wants to be maimed by this. Claiming “I’m not high risk (of death)” does not mean there is no risk of damage.
We all need to do our part to stop the spread of the virus.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> European, Asian, and North/South American supply chains are internally integrated. A truck driver transports goods from the Czech Republic to France and unloads them at the destination. But does that truck driver need to have direct contact with other people to do their job? Why can't they unload their cargo, sleep at a quarantine facility, and then drive a new truckload in the opposite direction, without an opport…
> Island nations still have internal traffic Internal traffic among 4 million people is a much easier problem than traffic among a continent of 800 million people. > But does that truck driver need to have direct contact with other people to do their job? I’m sure there are better ways to do things, but truck drivers often unload shipments, confirm receipts, etc and they still need to visit truck stops and restaurant…
> Internal traffic among 4 million people is a much easier problem than traffic among a continent of 800 million people.
Can you fill in the details of how exactly it is easier?
> Quarantining between shipments would mean drivers are mostly idle, driving the cost of shipping through the roof.
Well, if they don't need to sleep between shipments, I guess they can drive back directly and get their supplies and food at home. I wasn't suggesting a full two-week quarantine if they don't intend to have any contact with locals anyway, just staying for the night isolated from anyone they could potentially infect.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
It used to be common to reply to this sort of fear mongering with "anecdotes aren't data." Cool anecdote, bro. Sorry for that person you, a random internet person I have no reason to trust, allegedly know, who is very, very unlucky. The people in power want us to stay afraid and easy to control. Fauci says vaccines work but doesn't trust them enough to stop going into public with TWO masks! Despite being vaccinated!…
These anecdotes are useful to remind us that many covid survivors still suffer from its damage. The data doesn't quantify these things yet , so cynical people, maybe people especially like you, might do well to pay them attention. Just because you're unlikely to die from covid, doesn't mean you won't be part of the 10% who retain symptoms past 3 months. It's not a binary outcome.
Here’s the problem: you cite anecdotes of second- and third-hand stories that are exceptional at best, implausible at worst, then you claim these to be representative of the common case. They are not.
There have now been hundreds of millions of infections, worldwide. Of these, the vast majority (>99.9%) resolve with no major sequelae. These are facts. People need to know this.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
It used to be common to reply to this sort of fear mongering with "anecdotes aren't data." Cool anecdote, bro. Sorry for that person you, a random internet person I have no reason to trust, allegedly know, who is very, very unlucky. The people in power want us to stay afraid and easy to control. Fauci says vaccines work but doesn't trust them enough to stop going into public with TWO masks! Despite being vaccinated!…
These anecdotes are useful to remind us that many covid survivors still suffer from its damage. The data doesn't quantify these things yet , so cynical people, maybe people especially like you, might do well to pay them attention. Just because you're unlikely to die from covid, doesn't mean you won't be part of the 10% who retain symptoms past 3 months. It's not a binary outcome.
"Of these, the vast majority (>99.9%) resolve with no major sequelae."
Citation needed. > 99.9% is an extraordinary number and probably needs extraordinary support.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
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I am hearing from friends and family in Brasil that the Brasilian variant is more severe among younger victims than the original COVID version. There is an increase of deaths among twenty-year-olds as a result.
All the more reason to stop all strains as soon as possible. If more contagious strains can be knocked below the sustainability threshold then they'll die out too.
It is not possible to stop all strains. SARS-CoV2 has multiple zoonotic reservoirs, transmits easily, and persists in the population via asymptomatic infection.
We have eradicated one human virus in all of history, and it took a highly effective vaccine and a hundred years. The long tail is very long.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
For every person that dies (an agonizing death akin to medieval torture), a few more are in intensive care fighting for their lives. For every one of those, others end up in the hospital, spread the disease to others, suffer from “long covid”, or merely suffer greatly. Every person that gets covid adds to the likelihood the disease will become uncontrollable in the long term and endemic. Keep wearing your masks and s…
I don’t see any reason new variants would ever stop coming. What are you proposing is the end point of all of this?
New variants are going to come, but vaccinated people may have some protection against them, or they may recieve a booster tailored to new variants, if they are extra vulnerable.
Also, treatments are being developed. If we can turn future variants of Covid into something like a common cold, we are going to be fine living with it. We just need to prevent bilateral pneumonia with a cytokine storm that threatens to kill the patient.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
For every person that dies (an agonizing death akin to medieval torture), a few more are in intensive care fighting for their lives. For every one of those, others end up in the hospital, spread the disease to others, suffer from “long covid”, or merely suffer greatly. Every person that gets covid adds to the likelihood the disease will become uncontrollable in the long term and endemic. Keep wearing your masks and s…
I don’t see any reason new variants would ever stop coming. What are you proposing is the end point of all of this?
Think about what leads to new variants: every time someone is infected, the virus replicates and has 10e9 chances to come up with something which is advantageous for it. If, like the U.K variant, it lucks into someone with a compromised immune system it might get even more chances to evolve an effective combination.
The way we get it to stop winning is to stop buying it lottery tickets. Masks, vaccines, and other measures like paid sick leave cut into that number enormously.
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
All the more reason to stop all strains as soon as possible. If more contagious strains can be knocked below the sustainability threshold then they'll die out too.
It is not possible to stop all strains. SARS-CoV2 has multiple zoonotic reservoirs, transmits easily, and persists in the population via asymptomatic infection. We have eradicated one human virus in all of history, and it took a highly effective vaccine and a hundred years. The long tail is very long.
Curious, what virus we eradicated?
Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
That seems pretty low compared to what is happening here in Belgium. We are at 22k deaths with +/- 25% of a 11M of the population having been infected (based on serology and statistical estimates).
If I'm not mistaken, the rate in the paper is bigger, 0.25% against 22k/11M = 0.20% in Belgium. But if the newspaper I read are right, there is a catch: when tests were not available, Belgium counted as a covid death every case where it could be suspected. Even nowadays, in case of comorbidity, covid is always written down as the cause of death. So 22k is probably a maximum, and, taking into accound the 25% uncertain…
I think you're misreading the comment you replied to. "+/- 25% of a 11M of the population having been infected" means about 25% of 11M, or 2.75M, officially infected. 22k/2.75M would imply a 0.8% fatality rate.