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As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

As opposed to what? All countries use the same argument to push popular programs, even if it makes little sense.

I don’t see the US using the argument more than Spain for instance. We’ve had a new “educational reform” every ~8 years with every government change, because “think of the children”, when everyone knew the reasons had nothing to do with the children.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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I don't understand - are you implying that the act of deciding to have a long lockdown necessitates that the decision makers do not care about children, or are there specifics you are leaving unsaid?

Isn't it obvious? The lockdown harm the children.

So does dead parents and grandparents.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

The country has been heavily banking on discouraging the rank-and-file class from having children, and replacing them through immigration. And the ones that are already in the system are very heavily discouraged against the path to independent success and self-esteem. So the recent events are just another step in the same direction.

P.S. I don't think it's a carefully engineered master plan to eliminate independent thinkers, but rather what the society converges into when you eliminate the need for regular people to solve the problems on a daily basis. Medieval feudalism over again.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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When times become hard, people turn to drugs, depression and religion. The wave will die down with the virus.

Maybe it will. But depression and drug abuse can have very long-lasting effects. For example losing a job or becoming homeless. It can be very hard to recover from that.

Exactly. A cold or covid may be temporary, but the snowballing effects that happen when one falls "off the wagon" (drugs, homeless, hard to hold down a job, etc) do not magically recover when the pandemic is over.

I only wish that the US would see the huge ROI of investing in its citizens (i.e. by ensuring they are healthy, housed, and educated enough to find their path in life) and act accordingly.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

#47
Teachers' unions saw an opening and they took it. The fact that private schools in SF have been open for so long safely with no public schools open should tell you all you need to know.

I, for one, love it. When you're on this side of the wealth spectrum, an expanding gap lifts your ship and sinks the other guy.

And I'm all for the pursuit of sheer greed. If other people want to hamstring themselves for whatever reason, I'm not going to stop them.

Party on, dudes. Live your worst life.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand - are you implying that the act of deciding to have a long lockdown necessitates that the decision makers do not care about children, or are there specifics you are leaving unsaid?

Isn't it obvious? The lockdown harm the children.

The length of lockdowns is the problem, here in Germany at least. An even harder lockdown limited in length would have most likely achieved better control of the pandemic than the on-going half-measures and we would have been out of it earlier as well.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

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It's a second-order effect of not prioritizing school reopenings. Lockdowns aren't all-or-nothing.

Right. We should have closed restaurants, bars, whatever so we could keep schools open.

Matt Yglesias wrote an interesting (non-paywalled) piece about this: https://www.slowboring.com/p/school-closure

> in the actual United States of America, it’s Congress that can write huge checks; it’s mostly states who write rules for restaurants; and schools are a local responsibility — often run by special purpose school boards that have no other governing powers. Given that Congress did not appropriate funds for a bar and restaurant bailout, I don’t think it’s crazy that governors mostly decided they had to reopen their restaurants. And given that this decision ensured continued community spread all through the summer and fall, I don’t think it’s crazy that teachers lobbied to keep schools closed.

> D.C. eventually got a leg up thanks to our unusual governance. We are a “mayoral control” city (i.e., the schools are run by a political appointee rather than by a separately elected board), and our city government also performs the functions of a state government. So the mayor, in her capacity as essentially a governor, gave teachers vaccine priority, and then in her capacity as the head of the school system said they had to reopen. I think it’s clear that San Francisco mayor London Breed would do that if she could, but she doesn’t control California vaccination rules and she doesn’t control the San Francisco public schools, so she can’t.

Re: As U.S. schools shuttered, student mental health cratered, survey finds

#50

Anyone else find it strange that a country that has often fallen in line with "think of the children" arguments for hypothetical dangers appears to be completely uncaring about very real dangers of social isolation that are impacting our youth?

I don't understand - are you implying that the act of deciding to have a long lockdown necessitates that the decision makers do not care about children, or are there specifics you are leaving unsaid?

> are you implying that the act of deciding to have a long lockdown necessitates that the decision makers do not care about children

Not quite... I'm referring to the fact that society has often gotten quite worked up over "think of the children" arguments for perceived dangers, but when faced with a real threat to child welfare, the response has been rather mild in comparison.

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