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AARD Code, or how Bill Gates finished off the competition

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Re: AARD Code, or how Bill Gates finished off the competition

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You might also find 'Embrace, extend, and extinguish' interesting. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

China is following that playbook now. Hello America let me embrace you, hey let me do some more stuff for you... well it was nice knowing you see you later!

Well, why, was only America allowed to play it against 19th century industrial Europe?

Re: AARD Code, or how Bill Gates finished off the competition

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Aaron R. Reynolds apparently had the obsession with hiding a signature in his code (like the AARD one being referred to here). Other places where you stumble across the name include e.g. FAT32 which has a filesystem information sector[1] in the hidden region after the boot sector which includes similar signatures (AaRR and aArr, byte swapped to little endian of course). [1] https://wiki.osdev.org/FAT32#FSInfo_Structu…

> AaRR and aArr, byte swapped to little endian of course Maybe my understanding of endianness is off but isn’t it AaRR -> RRAa?

Sure, I didn't mean to say that one is the byte swapped version of the other, but that those are two distinct signatures which are written to disk, both of course byte swapped (to RRaA and rrAa, respectively).

Re: AARD Code, or how Bill Gates finished off the competition

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I smell that the same is going on now with Microsoft embracing Linux? Integrate, extend, extinguish.

I hope it backfires. One example could be that the Linux community creates functions and program names that purposely collide with Microsoft’s extensions, and in that way extinguishes Microsoft.

Re: AARD Code, or how Bill Gates finished off the competition

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"My most memorable moment at Microsoft came during a technical review with Bill Gates. I will never forget the moment when I made an apparently obvious point to him. He responded, "What? Do you think I'm stupid?" Everyone was staring at me, and I felt it best not to answer." Microsoft is hiring! source: https://web.archive.org/web/20120311005018/http://www.seattl... https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/01/business/compres…

Maybe I'm missing the context here but I'm afraid I don't understand the point of the quote / what it is supposed to illustrate. It looks like someone asked something obvious, wasting everyone's time, and Bill Gates gave a snarky reply. Is there supposed to be something wrong with this conversation? [On a side note, not answering the question is rather weird, and I can't imagine that this person stayed for long in th…

Yelling at people sharing information wastes time, and wastes even more time in the future as everyone agonizes over trying to predict exactly what Bill G knows, instead of working on solving problems.

Re: AARD Code, or how Bill Gates finished off the competition

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> "bundling" Windows 95 with MS-DOS (Win95 was a DOS overlay, but installed Microsoft DOS by default, even though DR-DOS could very well have acted as a "shim"). It would be more accurate to say DOS is an overlay on Windows 95, once Windows 95 has booted. The DOS façade may be so convincing that the OS seems to be running on DOS, but that's the exact opposite of the truth: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/2…

I don’t think this is quite right ... it was a fully fledged DOS (aka DOS 7) that ran first, described in your linked article as the “bootloader” what you are thinking of is the dos box that is described later, and maybe there is some confusion with Windows NT. I myself many times booted to the pure DOS environment many times using boot disks as some games around that time weren’t facilitated by the emulated DOS envi…

If you boot directly into DOS then you're running DOS, yes. But once Windows 95 has started, there is no DOS “underneath”.

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> Outlook & the office suite are still world class at what they do. Yep, corporate GMail had made me detest email, but corporate Outlook made me stop using it. Also, Outlook for Mac was the only app that I had to actually quit before sleeping a macbook or the battery would die in my bag. Nothing else could compare. On the server side, nothing mutilates mail quite like Exchange, although recent versions aren't as good…

Thats nice for you. Personally I use Apple Pages to compose word documents. But this isn't about us. The question is whether Microsoft's products add real value to their customers. From your nephew with an xbox, to devs in the C# ecosystem, to office workers who use word and excel to get their work done the answer is obviously yes.

> The question is whether Microsoft's products add real value to their customers.

I'm pretty sure Outlook convincing me not to read corporate mail was not of value to my employer (Microsoft's customer). At the very least, it added confusion and delay when other employees expected me to see things they emailed. Perhaps letting me focus on other stuff was of benefit to the employer, but that's tricky to measure; it's hard to imagine employers want to use a terrible email system to subtly discourage email use, there are more effective ways.

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"My most memorable moment at Microsoft came during a technical review with Bill Gates. I will never forget the moment when I made an apparently obvious point to him. He responded, "What? Do you think I'm stupid?" Everyone was staring at me, and I felt it best not to answer." Microsoft is hiring! source: https://web.archive.org/web/20120311005018/http://www.seattl... https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/01/business/compres…

Maybe I'm missing the context here but I'm afraid I don't understand the point of the quote / what it is supposed to illustrate. It looks like someone asked something obvious, wasting everyone's time, and Bill Gates gave a snarky reply. Is there supposed to be something wrong with this conversation? [On a side note, not answering the question is rather weird, and I can't imagine that this person stayed for long in th…

Almost anything can be open to (mis)interpretation, whether it is an HN comment or an article in a weekly city newspaper. In the context of the article,^1 I interpreted this quote as a summary of the author's experience working at Microsoft while Gates was CEO because it was, for him, "[his] most memorable moment" of the years he spent working there.

1. The interpretation I choose for this article may not be the same as every other reader. Correctly or incorrectly, I believe that this company did not need to do much in order to continue to generate revenue once the Windows monopoly was established. The NYT article perhaps supports this idea. Microsoft could afford to be behind the curve on innovation, as the author suggests they were in the article. Rather than compete, Gates could simply focus on stifling any competition. Aside from its focus on thwarting competitors by any means necessary, Microsoft could afford to be wasteful. Much of the time spent and work done by employees like the author could very well be irrelevant to the continued success of the company, with no material effect. Time could be "wasted", so long as competition was blocked.

The other point is that there may be some folks who would not want to work for a company with a CEO who behaves like the one in the incident described. Sometimes these are clues about the company culture. Thus, this quote might have meaning to some people, but not to others who are normalised to this type of behaviour.

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I don’t think this is quite right ... it was a fully fledged DOS (aka DOS 7) that ran first, described in your linked article as the “bootloader” what you are thinking of is the dos box that is described later, and maybe there is some confusion with Windows NT. I myself many times booted to the pure DOS environment many times using boot disks as some games around that time weren’t facilitated by the emulated DOS envi…

If you boot directly into DOS then you're running DOS, yes. But once Windows 95 has started, there is no DOS “underneath”.

It’s there somewhere. You can “drop to dos” again - but I guess what you mean is Windows has its own kernel and doesn’t rely on DOS for anything beyond booting.

Fun thing I discovered once is that after you shut down, the screen that says “it’s now safe to turn off your computer” actually hosts a hidden dos prompt and you can start windows again by typing “win”

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Maybe I'm missing the context here but I'm afraid I don't understand the point of the quote / what it is supposed to illustrate. It looks like someone asked something obvious, wasting everyone's time, and Bill Gates gave a snarky reply. Is there supposed to be something wrong with this conversation? [On a side note, not answering the question is rather weird, and I can't imagine that this person stayed for long in th…

Maybe the point was that not knowing something != stupid, but BG equals that to stupidity?

Many intelligent people do. It's a common misconception - and one I used to personally suffer from.

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China is following that playbook now. Hello America let me embrace you, hey let me do some more stuff for you... well it was nice knowing you see you later!

Well, why, was only America allowed to play it against 19th century industrial Europe?

How does it compare? Targeting engineering laptops to steal fighter jet plans seems completely different then recreating a weaving plant.
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