Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

Post by GekkePrutser » Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #56

GekkePrutser wrote: post #52

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> Keep wearing your masks and social distancing people. It’s hard, it’s a sacrifice, but together we can conquer this disease and return to life “as normal”. This ghost is not going back into the bottle. It's way too widespread for that now. Even the WHO has determined that. Even if one country manages it, some tourist will bring it in. The vaccines don't stop the spread enough either to kill it completely. People wi…

The vaccines appear to be plenty effective enough to stop the spread, if enough people get them. We don't have great information about the variants, but the big improvements in Israel and England are encouraging, even with vaccination still ongoing.

Post by mynameisvlad » Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 5:45 PM UTC

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Hawaii, the only state that requires a COVID test within 36 hours of flying there? I mean, of course they'd have the lowest cases per capita when they're the only ones actively refusing entry to those who have it.

Almost like having strong borders is useful. Not a very compelling argument when the same people most in favor of Covid restrictions also spent five years calling Republicans the devil for wanting to reinforce our borders. Also the US has open borders between states on the mainland. Any individual state besides Hawaii never had even the possibility of isolating themselves.

Post by ghaff » Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

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mynameisvlad wrote: post #41

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Hawaii, the only state that requires a COVID test within 36 hours of flying there? I mean, of course they'd have the lowest cases per capita when they're the only ones actively refusing entry to those who have it.

How many entry points does Hawaii have compared to the average state? How do those points of entry compare in terms of staff and systems to operate those restrictions? Hawaii gets a lot more mileage out of its restrictions than Iowa is going to do. We can acknowledge these differences without conceding that restrictions aren’t worth the squeeze; it just means that New Zealand isn’t a good reference point.

Post by ed25519FUUU » Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

legulere wrote: post #47

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Some more: > Indiana's IFR for noninstitutionalized persons older than 60 years is just below 2% (1 in 50). In comparison, the ratio is approximately 2.5 times greater than the estimated IFR for seasonal influenza, 0.8% (1 in 125), among those aged 65 years and older (5).

That is just one factor though in which COVID-19 is worse than the seasonal influenza though. COVID-19 has a basic reproduction number of 3.3 – 5.7, while the seasonal influenza has one of 0.9 – 2.1 [1], which means that it spreads far more easily. You cannot just wait until summer for influenza season to be over. With influenza you have a higher rate of existing immunity in the population. With COVID-19 it is basica…

Post by mlyle » Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

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idoubtit wrote: post #27

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> For every person that dies (an agonizing death akin to medieval torture) I think this is wrong, at least in rich countries, at least those that are sane enough to cure their ill citizens. A friend of mine died of covid last year. Then a family member this year. They were both sedated, and did not suffer at all on their last days in hospitals.

Sedation is death with a respiratory illness like this. How were they feeling before they were sedated? Probably like they’d been drowning for hours. For all intents and purposes, that was the end of their life as far as their experience of it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that we can provide palliative comfort for those final hours/days. But it doesn’t tell the full story.