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Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by war1025 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #26
war1025 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that patience has worn thin for the extremely overly cautious people who have been hiding in their homes for a year when they are realistically at zero risk of severe illness. We have known since early summer of last year that being fat or being old are your two biggest risk factors. Beyond that, if you have some serious pre-existing condition that makes you susceptible to all illnesses. The messaging should…

> All current data shows areas that have taken that approach are significantly better off today than the places that hid in a hole the past year. Source? I'd argue current data shows that those that showed an overabundance of caution, like New Zealand, are the ones significantly better off than everyone else.

> like New Zealand,

You mean an island nation with strict control over their ports and borders?

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by mrfusion »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #15
ta8645 wrote: post #14

This is good news. Now maybe Fauci should rethink his idea that people need to wear their masks for another year even after getting vaccinated. One of his reasons was because of worry about the variants.

Wearing masks have benefits beyond covid. Think about how many lives per year we could save from the flu let alone other airborne respiratory viruses if mask wearing was normalized.

I’ve heard it argued that our immune systems need exposure to germs to keep them effective.

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by war1025 »

heterodoxxed wrote: post #28
war1025 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that patience has worn thin for the extremely overly cautious people who have been hiding in their homes for a year when they are realistically at zero risk of severe illness. We have known since early summer of last year that being fat or being old are your two biggest risk factors. Beyond that, if you have some serious pre-existing condition that makes you susceptible to all illnesses. The messaging should…

| they are realistically at zero risk of severe illness. I didn't do it for me.

Every single person who "didn't do it for me" relied on an enormous network of people putting themselves at risk daily to keep the supply chains functioning.

It's virtuization of fear and little else.

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by throwaway894345 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #26
war1025 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that patience has worn thin for the extremely overly cautious people who have been hiding in their homes for a year when they are realistically at zero risk of severe illness. We have known since early summer of last year that being fat or being old are your two biggest risk factors. Beyond that, if you have some serious pre-existing condition that makes you susceptible to all illnesses. The messaging should…

> All current data shows areas that have taken that approach are significantly better off today than the places that hid in a hole the past year. Source? I'd argue current data shows that those that showed an overabundance of caution, like New Zealand, are the ones significantly better off than everyone else.

New Zealand’s results are largely due to it being a small, isolated nation. Hawaii similarly enjoys the fewest COVID cases per capita of the US.

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by scrollaway »

jquery wrote: post #24
war1025 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that patience has worn thin for the extremely overly cautious people who have been hiding in their homes for a year when they are realistically at zero risk of severe illness. We have known since early summer of last year that being fat or being old are your two biggest risk factors. Beyond that, if you have some serious pre-existing condition that makes you susceptible to all illnesses. The messaging should…

So you’d prefer we be like Brazil? Because the alternative for us was not Taiwan or Korea. They went far and beyond what Americans were willing to tolerate. Never mind the bad statistics behind your claim that covid is no worse than the flu. A athlete friend of mine in his 20s has permanent heart damage caused by the virus. Covid-19 is not a joke, no matter how much you wish it was. Americans could be out free, today…

There aren't only americans on this site. FWIW as a european (Belgium resident), your statement doesn't apply. Belgium did a shitty job since the second wave: We didn't go far enough and only applied a weak lockdown which has been in effect since October. So life here has been just bad enough to test everybody's patience for about six months. And now we're in a new uptick and everyone's losing their shit.

Korea meanwhile applied strict, severe, surgical lockdowns and then were able to fully reopen after containment.

People haven't been able to go see their families out of the country. I've not been able to practice my sport (figure skating) since October (they even banned it outdoors during winter!!). And there is a pages-long, ever-changing document on social bubbles, checklists on who you can see which take things such as age and household size into account, etc. It's dumb, people don't follow it, and it has deeply eroded trust in institutions, and it has pushed people into antivax groups because those are the most vocal ones against measures like these (so they are the sole ones sounding like the voice of reason).

The "alternative" to the above is not brazil, and I would personally much rather be in Korea.

And these measures, while on paper sound like they're slowing the spread, are also pushing people to be against government measures as a whole and feed into much more dangerous sentiments. Would you apply a measure that reduces the spread by 0.1% if it also meant a 0.1% decrease in mask usage? Or a 0.25% decrease in vaccine uptake? What if you can't know any of those numbers, you just know they exist?

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Edit: Just to really drive home my point: I've been advocating for this for months. Just as I posted this comment, the following article shows up on the Brussels Times: "Belgium needs a short ‘real’ lockdown, warns expert"

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/161157/b...

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by Spivak »

war1025 wrote: post #31
mynameisvlad wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All current data shows areas that have taken that approach are significantly better off today than the places that hid in a hole the past year. Source? I'd argue current data shows that those that showed an overabundance of caution, like New Zealand, are the ones significantly better off than everyone else.

> like New Zealand, You mean an island nation with strict control over their ports and borders?

And had mandatory lockdowns

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by jquery »

idoubtit wrote: post #27
jquery wrote: post #13

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For every person that dies (an agonizing death akin to medieval torture), a few more are in intensive care fighting for their lives. For every one of those, others end up in the hospital, spread the disease to others, suffer from “long covid”, or merely suffer greatly. Every person that gets covid adds to the likelihood the disease will become uncontrollable in the long term and endemic. Keep wearing your masks and s…

> For every person that dies (an agonizing death akin to medieval torture) I think this is wrong, at least in rich countries, at least those that are sane enough to cure their ill citizens. A friend of mine died of covid last year. Then a family member this year. They were both sedated, and did not suffer at all on their last days in hospitals.

Sedation is death with a respiratory illness like this. How were they feeling before they were sedated? Probably like they’d been drowning for hours. For all intents and purposes, that was the end of their life as far as their experience of it.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s great that we can provide palliative comfort for those final hours/days. But it doesn’t tell the full story.

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by throwaway894345 »

war1025 wrote: post #31
mynameisvlad wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All current data shows areas that have taken that approach are significantly better off today than the places that hid in a hole the past year. Source? I'd argue current data shows that those that showed an overabundance of caution, like New Zealand, are the ones significantly better off than everyone else.

> like New Zealand, You mean an island nation with strict control over their ports and borders?

Not sure why this is downvoted; it’s absolutely correct. European, Asian, and North/South American supply chains are internally integrated. A truck driver transports goods from the Czech Republic to France and unloads them at the destination. For New Zealand it’s not like the ship’s crew is unloading goods at the last mile. A similar effect is at play in Hawaii, but the latter can’t deny entry to US residents because unlike New Zealand it isn’t a sovereign nation.

Re: Neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 variants after infection, vaccination

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Post by jimbob45 »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #15
ta8645 wrote: post #14

This is good news. Now maybe Fauci should rethink his idea that people need to wear their masks for another year even after getting vaccinated. One of his reasons was because of worry about the variants.

Wearing masks have benefits beyond covid. Think about how many lives per year we could save from the flu let alone other airborne respiratory viruses if mask wearing was normalized.

Agreed. I think of the 5+ times I’ve gotten sick from planes and airports and I kick myself for not having worn masks during air travel in years past.
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