All software is bound to keep changing forever unless people stop using it... even after it's past its "perfect" place in terms of usability and benefits it brings to its intended audience (I am not saying perfect in terms of having no bugs - though that may also be the case)... because we can only know that in hindsight and we have no way of measuring this objectively. Some old Unix tools are perhaps the closest we…
Why use old computers and operating systems?
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Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#52A reason to use old computers that I don't see mentioned here has to do with accessibility. People in the US usually have current hardware such as the latest Mac laptop, but that is not the case in all other countries. Current hardware is a bit of a luxury that we don't fully appreciate. I have an open source project with global users, and one person in Mexico contacted me looking for help. He was trying to create 3D…
Related to this: one of the very few good reasons to offer unencrypted HTTP is that in some parts of the world, old devices are in widespread use, and support for modern HTTPS cannot be taken for granted.
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#53A reason to use old computers that I don't see mentioned here has to do with accessibility. People in the US usually have current hardware such as the latest Mac laptop, but that is not the case in all other countries. Current hardware is a bit of a luxury that we don't fully appreciate. I have an open source project with global users, and one person in Mexico contacted me looking for help. He was trying to create 3D…
Technically, couldn't he install a very lightweight Linux distribution. I have a few Raspberry Pi zeros and I actually enjoy coding within the limitations of said hardware, when you know you only have 500 megs of RAM on the device you have to solve problems differently
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#54For others who love old software and hardware I'll share two of my favorite sites, an excellent retro PC emulator, 86Box [0] and a clean and well-maintained software archive, WinWorld [1]. These two sites together have provided me hours of exploration into old hardware, BIOS screens I'd never otherwise see, and plenty of interesting software scenarios. [0] https://github.com/86Box/86Box [1] https://winworldpc.com
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#55This was 2008, so already old back then, but with the way it was configured plus the 888 system, it was still valuable.
I have friends who work in water treatment infrastructure, and out of necessity carry laptops with VMs for DOS, windows 3.1, etc.
Even my AD/DA converter at home is no longer supported. I use a 2010 mac mini running OSX 10.11 with it.
As long as people are using older hardware that interfaces with a computer, older OSes and machines will be useful.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the best way to backup the actual sd card. I plan to store it on the cloud. I tried using Windisk 32 and it didn't work .
I’ve used Pi Baker on the Mac. It kind of hurts that the image is the same size as the SD card when the card might be pretty much empty, but it does make recovery easier.
Actually I think rpi clone can clone down to a smaller sd card
https://github.com/billw2/rpi-clone
You could clone down to like a 4 gig SD card, and then back up that SD card.
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
NB: He wrote ”I think the only solution is to stop expecting every computer to be general-purpose” (my emphasis). He didn’t write ”I think the only solution is to stop expecting computers to be general-purpose”.
>He wrote ”I think the only solution is to stop expecting every computer to be general-purpose” Which is a bit ironic, as his website doesn't load on my Firefox (disabled HTTP-only connections), and after I added exception, it still looks like crap with DarkReader [1] because the website forces white background, and now I have grey font, with my sight problems, it's just too bright to read. Maybe it's time to stop ex…
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#58All software is bound to keep changing forever unless people stop using it... even after it's past its "perfect" place in terms of usability and benefits it brings to its intended audience (I am not saying perfect in terms of having no bugs - though that may also be the case)... because we can only know that in hindsight and we have no way of measuring this objectively. Some old Unix tools are perhaps the closest we…
Old unix tools are serviceable, but nowhere near perfect. I find exa better than ls, fd better than find, rg better than grep, etc.
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#59> imagine if spreadsheet programs like Microsoft Excel stopped being developed and eventually just disappeared – that’s the level of significance that HyperCard had. I often hear similar claims about the significance of HyperCard. But if HyperCard was so significant to so many people, wouldn’t it have been ported and/or rewritten over the years to still be available today? Even if not by Apple, then by someone else?…
In the case of Hypercard, I cannot say whether or not this is the case. It could be that Hypercard is absolutely possible today. But I wouldn't doubt it if it was somewhat unusable on modern systems due to this "cooperation" issue I mentioned. It may need buy-in from other apps and/or the host OS for it to work fully as intended.
For another example, consider emacs. Emacs effectively gives you the lisp-machine experience, but the problem is it isn't integrated with the rest of the system. You sort of have to live in an emacs bubble. With hypercard, you could surely get it running, but would you be in a bubble? Ideally you could use hypercard to script the rest of your system as well.
What we should want is something like a "card" that could "link" to a specific cell in a spreadsheet, as an example. Or a card that could open a PDF to a specific page. The more the rest of the system "plays along", the more powerful something like hypercard could be.
Re: Why use old computers and operating systems?
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
my personal rule of thumb is that my software must be useable at -O0 with address sanitizers on my desktop - so far that has meant that at -O3 it stays useable on raspberry pi-3 level hardware. A few months ago I tried to make a build which targetted ivybridge-level CPUs, it took no more than one day for a few users to report that it didn't work on their machines, turns out a lot of people still rock some old AMD Phe…
I've still got some SandyBridge-era computers running.