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Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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What helped me was to start with the assumption that the other person is just as intelligent as myself. The worst is when you start making suggestions after listening to two sentences. If you assume that the other person is as intelligent as you are, then something you came up with after two minutes of listening is not useful -- they have probably considered this already. It's different from your job, because at work…

I like this advice, but the question for me becomes how do you assume every person is as intelligent? No, I don't think I'm exceptional or smarter than everyone...but 15 seconds of scrolling through social media, watching daytime news, or even driving around makes it hard to assume there aren't a ton of idiots out there. So my default has kinda degraded to 'everyone is an idiot until proven otherwise', which is somet…

The easiest way is to not assume you yourself are very intelligent. Once you can do that, it's a lot easier since you are suddenly not "surrounded by idiots." Even the smartest people can get duped by their own hubris. Otherwise, I guess you might as well grab a blanket and settle into a comfy superiority complex.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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post #110

What helped me was to start with the assumption that the other person is just as intelligent as myself. The worst is when you start making suggestions after listening to two sentences. If you assume that the other person is as intelligent as you are, then something you came up with after two minutes of listening is not useful -- they have probably considered this already. It's different from your job, because at work…

> The worst is when you start making suggestions after listening to two sentences. If you assume that the other person is as intelligent as you are, then something you came up with after two minutes of listening is not useful -- they have probably considered this already. I disagree. This has nothing to do with intelligence. It is all about connecting different domains of knowledge. You know and have experienced thin…

The unintelligent part is assuming you got enough context in 2 minutes to start making suggestions. You end up breaking discovery process for the other person.

It can help to frame it as questions and curiosity instead.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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I think cultivating curiosity about others is integral to building empathy, but it's a lifelong practice. I still find it very easy to project my own experiences onto others - an easy shortcut that drains my interest in them and makes listening hard. After all, if I feel I already know what's important to know about them, why listen? Where I've found the most personal growth has been in continually re-learning the st…

I often think that if I had one supernatural wish to make, I’d like to inhabit the inner-life and sensations of someone else. See, feel, hear, think, intuit, and fear like they do. Not as an observer, but as a first-hand experience. Whether that person is dumb, hyper-intelligent, manic, depressed, or autistic.

As I mature I’m starting to appreciate how very different our inner-experiences can be. Even for something as simple as what we experience when we count silently in our heads: Some people hear a voice counting numbers, some see the numbers without auditory cues, and some feel the counting as pulses in their bodies.

For this reason, I would very much like to inhabit someone else to feel just how divergent those experiences may be.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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post #110

What helped me was to start with the assumption that the other person is just as intelligent as myself. The worst is when you start making suggestions after listening to two sentences. If you assume that the other person is as intelligent as you are, then something you came up with after two minutes of listening is not useful -- they have probably considered this already. It's different from your job, because at work…

> The worst is when you start making suggestions after listening to two sentences. If you assume that the other person is as intelligent as you are, then something you came up with after two minutes of listening is not useful -- they have probably considered this already. I disagree. This has nothing to do with intelligence. It is all about connecting different domains of knowledge. You know and have experienced thin…

> You know and have experienced things they haven't.

They also know and have experienced things you haven't.

I'd say that listen their description of the problem is the first (and maybe easy) part. But then you don't have to provide your solution, but rather find it together with that person.

Treating the other person as intelligent as you helps sharing the problem solving part instead of doing it individually.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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Listening requires allowing your conversation partner to fill the silence with their thoughts rather than filling it with yours. So at the risk of pointing out the obvious, to improve your listening skill try talking less.

In the middle of a technical explanation, sometimes people will pause and say something like "Is this making sense so far?" The question makes it fairly clear that the explanation isn't finished and that they have more to say. The same pause to confirm that the other person is engaged and understands occurs in personal discussions, but it might not be marked with an explicit question. So by talking less, you allow the other person to finish what they're saying and drive the conversation where they want it to go.

For example, consider the following variations of a hypothetical conversation -

Version 1

>A: "My coworker keeps interrupting me to ask questions that could easily be answered by reading the documentation. They've literally been messaging me at least once an hour."

>B: "Wow, that sounds so annoying!"

>A: "Yeah, it is. This morning I finally couldn't take it anymore and muted DMs from them so I could get some work done in peace. It was such a nice change."

Version 2

>A: "My coworker keeps interrupting me to ask questions that could easily be answered by reading the documentation. They've literally been messaging me at least once an hour."

>A's mom: "It's great that they trust you as a reliable source of information. I hope your boss recognizes what an asset you are!"

>A: "Uh... yeah, thanks mom. Anyway, how's your vegetable garden coming along?"

Version 3

>A: "My coworker keeps interrupting me to ask questions that could easily be answered by reading the documentation. They've literally been messaging me at least once an hour."

>C: "Wow, that sounds so annoying! Have you talked to them about how disruptive it is? If that doesn't work, you should talk to your boss. You don't want to be blamed if their interruptions end up delaying your work."

>A: "Fortunately it hasn't been that bad. I don't want to turn it into a bigger issue than it actually is by going to my boss about it."

Really the story that A wanted to tell was about muting the DMs, the initial pause just served to make sure it was the right audience to tell the story to (and that the audience was listening and not distracted by something else). In version 1, B conveyed that they understood and so A was able to finish telling the story. Version 2 demonstrates why A is pausing - A's mom wasn't the right audience, so better to just change the subject. In version 3, after A pauses C fills the silence with their own thoughts about the situation, which takes the conversation in a different direction than A had intended. C meant well, but if they had instead created silence (by not continuing to talk) after expressing understanding, they could have listened to A fill that silence with the story that A had hoped to tell.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're using your definition of 'need' to point out that it doesn't fit into what the parent has said. You're right, your definition doesn't fit, his definition fits perfectly. Words have multiple meanings.

Well if you instead define a need as a want, then of course it makes sense, but that is because it’s tautological. “People do things because they want to do them.” That’s hardly an insight.

Indeed, in non-violent communication, a need and a want are more or less interchangeable.

The parent did an arguably poor job of expressing why non-violent communication is interesting.

It's value prop is in learning to think in terms of people expressing their needs/wants and recognizing 'you don't listen to me' as a complaint about a need/want not being met, not an attack or statement regarding your character.

The author of this thread has internalized being 'low in empathy', while non-violent communication would reject such labels as unhelpful and inaccurate, instead focusing on seeing if the wants/needs of a relationship can be improved and met through effective communication regarding what is actually desired, instead of blaming and attacking one another.

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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Counterintuitive idea: learn to not be "curious about the person situation, while not really caring about the person".

Basically focus on listening and asking details while not really giving deep solutions but rather general advices.

This has 2 advantages:

- by not caring you will focus less on actual solutions and more on listening. You will learn a lot of funny stories if you do that with funny people

- people will still feel you care about them, while if you speak they will think you make it about you.

- your solutions would be useless anyway because What people REALLY want is ranting / blowing steam off / talking out loud to clarify their thinking, basically turning you into a "duck" (the bathing plastic duck you explain your problem which in turns makes it more clear to you and makes you fins the solution). Its actually a good thing for them. The bottom line is that they dont NEED your solutions.

If you do that, most people will say you are a "great person to talk" to. And they actually solve their problems faster that if you gave any solution ^^

Re: Ask HN: How to build empathy?

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post #73

I think cultivating curiosity about others is integral to building empathy, but it's a lifelong practice. I still find it very easy to project my own experiences onto others - an easy shortcut that drains my interest in them and makes listening hard. After all, if I feel I already know what's important to know about them, why listen? Where I've found the most personal growth has been in continually re-learning the st…

I often think that if I had one supernatural wish to make, I’d like to inhabit the inner-life and sensations of someone else. See, feel, hear, think, intuit, and fear like they do. Not as an observer, but as a first-hand experience. Whether that person is dumb, hyper-intelligent, manic, depressed, or autistic. As I mature I’m starting to appreciate how very different our inner-experiences can be. Even for something a…

I think we have something that emulates it: operational systems. iPhone vs Android, Windows vs Linux. Although for the experience to be as divergent as with humans we would need millions of OSs.
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