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Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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"If it's on internet it must be true" - Wernher von Braun, winner of Nobel peace prize, 1944

I thought that quote was attributed to Abe Lincoln, TIL.

You're right that Abe said that, but he was quoting von Braun when he included that line in the Gettysburg address.

Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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There are no horrible workplaces in Europe?

I dare say that if such a letter were to be sent from a company in my country, it would be grounds for legal retaliation. Why would you put insults into writing, in official letters no less?

Are insults illegal where you are?

Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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Do not worry , some European companies do this via backstabbing and hiding behind "procedures" and hr behaves like a banana republic court, or wannabe junta.

They try to make sure as little as possible is spilled to the public.

If they do and if you can, have them fire you and then send the corresponding tribunal after them.

Also make sure to post a candid review on glassdoor. Perhaps google and LinkedIn.

Do not forget to hit back, do not be their punching bag. You will find out that bullies crumble very fast when facing resistance.

This is one of the reasons why I will always support unions, as long the employers and managements cannot get their egos in order.

Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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I dare say that if such a letter were to be sent from a company in my country, it would be grounds for legal retaliation. Why would you put insults into writing, in official letters no less?

Are insults illegal where you are?

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I dare say that if such a letter were to be sent from a company in my country, it would be grounds for legal retaliation. Why would you put insults into writing, in official letters no less?

Are insults illegal where you are?

In Germany, yes.[0]

Aside from that, in Germany it's a common practice to get an Arbeitszeugniss. It's essentially a transcript from your employer stating how you performed while on the job. By law it's has to be formulated to be positive about the employee. Because of this, you often have to read between the lines to understand the actual meaning of the transcript.

[0] http://legaldb.freemedia.at/legal-database/germany/

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How could a company conduct itself in such a way, and still expect to retain a fruitful business? As someone from europe, I sometimes don't know what to think of japanese work culture from stories like these. Regardless if it's real, I often feel as if I'm missing a lot of context.

>"As someone from europe" The way Europe (Italy in particular) treats for example guest farm workers is hardly better if not worse. Edit: Downvoters might want to take a look at this for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/world/europe/a-womans-dea...

As an italian, poor condition of agricultural workers it's a well known problem, especially in south Italy well they "hire" african aliens, sometimes working for 2 or 3€/hour

Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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There are no horrible workplaces in Europe?

I dare say that if such a letter were to be sent from a company in my country, it would be grounds for legal retaliation. Why would you put insults into writing, in official letters no less?

That might be the exact reason they wouldn't put it in writing, but there are many "reputable" businesses in Europe and elsewhere with horrible conduct towards employees, with limited options to defend themselves for the employee without risking being worse off for the next career steps.

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Are insults illegal where you are?

In Germany, yes.[0] Aside from that, in Germany it's a common practice to get an Arbeitszeugniss. It's essentially a transcript from your employer stating how you performed while on the job. By law it's has to be formulated to be positive about the employee. Because of this, you often have to read between the lines to understand the actual meaning of the transcript. [0] http://legaldb.freemedia.at/legal-database/germ…

Doesn't fix the problem though in case you have a bad manager. They will just be more subtle with their message.

Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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The original tweet[1] containing a photo of the letter is from a Twitter account that no longer exists. Hard to determine the provenance and veracity of said letter, which is full of grammatical errors.[2] [1] https://twitter.com/kachokun/status/1357366042972987396 [2] https://twitter.com/romanbaken/status/1357549910124449793

I was about to post "This is the internet. Why would someone believe the letter is authentic?" when I saw your comment.

Really, just weigh the likelihood of a company taking the time to write such an over-the-top letter, against the insatiable desire of many people on social media for notoriety.

Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company

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There are no horrible workplaces in Europe?

I dare say that if such a letter were to be sent from a company in my country, it would be grounds for legal retaliation. Why would you put insults into writing, in official letters no less?

Depends how your salary is, but typically you won't do anything. I have witnessed a friend being bullied in such a way. She had to find about £5000 to pay for a solicitor to help her with employment tribunal case. Such money is out of reach to most employees. Yes, she tried "free" help that is available, but those people were useless, especially the union. Those people were not listening and were interested in checking the boxes and following templates and they made it worse in terms of mental health as my friend started losing hope. I helped her find a solicitor and paid first instalment, without my help she would go nowhere. In the end the employer settled - covered the solicitor costs, damages and gave good references so she could find a better job. The bullying employee continued to work there and was not sacked. Her ex-work friends kept struggling but had no means to do anything.
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