Why do people work for these companies? Is there no other option? Is the pay great? Is it not clear that they're a bad company before getting hired?
Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
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#12The article mentions _two_ instance of people hiring somebody to quit a job on their own behalf - what? I know there are some Japanophiles here on HN - can somebody explain what that's all about?
Quitting a job is similar. I think even outside Japan it can be awkward leaving a job if you feel in some way indebted to your company. Now imagine your boss shouting at you, or maybe worse, appealing to your obligations not to leave the company, convincing you how doing so would make you unworthy of being considered a decent person, or even threatening to give you bad references, etc.
Sometimes it's actually that the other party isn't even malicious and doesn't have to be as ugly as described above. They may truly believe it's in your best interest not to abandon something.
Many people give in when faced with back pressure in those situations or at least struggle with going through such a stressful situation, i.e. many people know they may not be strong enough to go through with it when facing confrontation, so is it a surprise that a service that acts on your behalf is something people would use?
Now add to that that in Japan people generally try to avoid confrontation (esp. those likely to suffer at the workplace / school) and then imagine maybe being in a company that bullied you for years and you've seen others struggle with mustering up the courage to leave. Also, as far as I know, job hopping is still not seen as good. Many people still hope to stay at the first company they got into for a long time, with parents and partners hoping the same (and often pushing back against job changes).
Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
#13The article mentions _two_ instance of people hiring somebody to quit a job on their own behalf - what? I know there are some Japanophiles here on HN - can somebody explain what that's all about?
>Yuichi: In Japanese business culture, there is a situation where you have to visit a company and say I’m deeply sorry for what I did and just bow and bow. Occasionally, I dream about that.
>Morin: How does that work when you’re hired to do that in real life?
>Yuichi: Usually, I accompany a salaryman who made a mistake. I take the identity of the salaryman myself, then I apologize profusely for his mistake. Have you seen the way we say sorry? You go have to down on your hands and knees on the floor. Your hands have to tremble. So, my client is there standing off to the side—the one who actually made the mistake—and I’m prostrate on the floor writhing around, and the boss is there red-faced as he hurls down abuse from above. Sometimes, I wonder to myself, “Am I actually doing this?”
[0]https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2017/11/paying-fo...
Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
#14[1] https://twitter.com/kachokun/status/1357366042972987396
[2] https://twitter.com/romanbaken/status/1357549910124449793
Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
#15The article mentions _two_ instance of people hiring somebody to quit a job on their own behalf - what? I know there are some Japanophiles here on HN - can somebody explain what that's all about?
Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
#16The article mentions _two_ instance of people hiring somebody to quit a job on their own behalf - what? I know there are some Japanophiles here on HN - can somebody explain what that's all about?
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#17Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
#18The original tweet[1] containing a photo of the letter is from a Twitter account that no longer exists. Hard to determine the provenance and veracity of said letter, which is full of grammatical errors.[2] [1] https://twitter.com/kachokun/status/1357366042972987396 [2] https://twitter.com/romanbaken/status/1357549910124449793
along with their twitter account: https://archive.is/VNQg8
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#19It sounds fake to be honest.
Re: Japanese man leaves horrible job, gets horrible letter from the company
#20The original tweet[1] containing a photo of the letter is from a Twitter account that no longer exists. Hard to determine the provenance and veracity of said letter, which is full of grammatical errors.[2] [1] https://twitter.com/kachokun/status/1357366042972987396 [2] https://twitter.com/romanbaken/status/1357549910124449793
It's literally on archive.is, though. https://archive.is/oTX33 along with their twitter account: https://archive.is/VNQg8