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Because it offers superior experience.
Apps don't (or shouldn't) need to be native to offer a good user experience.
But often writing them natively does do this.
Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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In this sense, it’s actually a good thing Chrome and others aren’t allowed on Apple. As someone whose fought against the App Store lockdown, I think I’ve come around a bit. The web is in a weird way a better place for apple locking down the browser choice.
But Chrome/etc are totally “allowed” on both macOS and iOS...? Not sure what you mean here.
they are not allowed to use their engine on iOS, they are just a customized skin over safari/webkit (and I honestly think that’s the right way, as google has no interest in saving iPhone battery).
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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I wanted to test a web app and was naive enough to buy an old iPhone 6, thinking I could test and debug my app. To my disappointment you can't update Safari through the app store and developer tools are pretty much non existent...
To be fair, that’s a very old phone and IOS12 is still getting updates in 2021. I’m not sure that the issue is, safari is updated along with IOS.
Safari is not getting updates in 2021.
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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> Just because you have a good use doesn’t outweigh the all the bad abuse. Personally, this is how I feel about downloading apps to my phone for every individual service and product. I see no need to download a separate app for each individual service I'm interested in, as the potential for abuse is higher than getting the occasional notification from my browser app and visiting their website. However, it sounds to m…
99% of apps you download aren’t spam unlike the 99% of web notification requests that are spanmy
In my experience the usage of notifications in native apps is hardly less spammy than web notifications.
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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The speaks to your inexperience making applications - using anecdotes and assumptions about "the average user" to determine what to do is nowhere near as useful as asking your actual users. Real data is better than guesswork.
I have built global apps, and found that users struggle to even accept email address confirmations. The reality is that email is dying.
> users struggle to even accept email address confirmations
This experience is geographically or demographically unique.
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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You don’t get it, 100s of billion of these notifications have been shown already to users on desktop with a less than 1% accept rate. These are spam .
What a weird argument. We're not talking about suspicious blogospam sites asking for notification access here. By the same token, most email sent is spam. Should we stop using email? Spammy notification requests should be mitigated with better browser guards for requesting them. The fact that there is spam does not somehow invalidate that there are legitimate use cases people want them for.
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Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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Yeah, having to click no all the time on desktop Safari is terrible. Also websites have realized that I am going to click No in the browser, so now they popup first asking if I want to allow push notifications in JavaScript so when I click no, they can ask me again later, vs if they popped up the browser and got a "No" there they could never ask me again.
I wish developers could get it through their skulls. I don’t want your notifications. Your app is not important enough that I’m willing to be interrupted by you. The lack of notifications is a desired feature. Please stop using notifications. It is almost always a pathetic attempt to try to “drive engagement” to your app. If I want to run your app I will run it. You don’t have to nudge me into it. The world would be…
"I don't want notifications" is just a setting in a modern browser. And voila, it's as if notifications did not exist as a feature. I don't understand why you need the feature to not exist; do you feel tempted to leave them enabled if they can be enabled?
I don't like notifications. I never get any notifications requests, unless I'm in a private window trying because some site wouldn't work with adblockers etc. Life can be so simple.
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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>> it’s a total lack of capability of even the most incremental innovative thinking Honestly, HN is a cargo cult of native only, anti web app sentiment. It’s frustrating.
Or... Your opinion isn’t held by other people, some of whom disagree with your opinion and are expressing that.
HN has many cargo cults not reflected by broader tech. It certainly has a crowd.
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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I have built global apps, and found that users struggle to even accept email address confirmations. The reality is that email is dying.
That's true for the users you've seen. My users all open emails with no problem. Now do you see why "the average user" isn't useful to determine how to build something? Even if most people suck at using email, in my app it works well.
So you would agree that some users can prefer notifications over email/sms, or is that line of reasoning only self-serving?
Re: Safari is now probably the influential wild card browser for user privacy
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Because any app that is social in nature (where interactions between users is required really) that can only reach 50% of users does not have 50% of the potential value, it's closer to 0. As an example, my girlfriend's a nurse, and they have a really bad paging system. Basically, the doctor calls the hospital reception who calls one person who is on call, who calls the second person on call. Of course, this breaks up…
> Because any app that is social in nature (where interactions between users is required really) that can only reach 50% of users does not have 50% of the potential value, it's closer to 0. This wasn’t true 10 years ago when Instagram launched, and was iPhone only for a considerable time. Clubhouse seems to think it’s not true today either, also iPhone only.
> 10 years ago when Instagram launched, and was iPhone only for a considerable time
iPhone users are, on average, higher earners than the median American [1]. Being iOS only means you get the vast majority of high-income Americans.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/195006/percentage-of-us-...