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Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Post by TameAntelope »

aww_dang wrote: post #177
TameAntelope wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much like the global economy made morality an infinitely complex problem (thanks The Good Place), the global Internet made digesting information equally as complex. We don't equip people to do it through our education systems in America. What we're doing is sending millions of people out into the world, wholly unprepared to navigate it successfully, which leaves them vulnerable to manipulation and exploitation. I don…

>We don't equip people to do it through our education systems in America. Does the largely state run education system have an incentive to create critical thinkers? Institutions trend towards group think. Credentials are granted by authorities. I'm not sure we can get there using the tools at hand.

Yes, the state has an incentive to create critical thinkers, the incentive is just obfuscated substantially from the average decision maker in "the state".

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Post by thereddaikon »

cma wrote: post #115
CincinnatiMan wrote: post #89

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Sorry, I'm not making the connection to what OP was saying. Can you expand? Does Voice of America pretend to be a domestic news source to the areas it broadcasts?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Prensa_(Managua)

Protip about wiki links. Posting the mobile link loads the mobile site for both desktop and mobile users however posting the desktop link will load the appropriate version for both desktop and mobile users. Always post the desktop version link.

I always take care to remove m. from a wiki link I'm sharing if I'm using a mobile device.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

debacle wrote: post #101
thatguy0900 wrote: post #97

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I agree people were already mad but you would have to go pretty far out of your way to find someone with worse optics, she definetely brought a lot of heat to it herself.

I think that was Twitch's intent. Why promote a basically no name streamer to a group made up mostly of very prominent people on the platform?

You think twitch purposefully nuked their own program? Wouldn't that just make both sides of the isle mad at them?

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Post by pudhbithyftdti »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #129
loceng wrote: post #127

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I don't think it's comparable - however yes, bad actors and bad actions are decentralized to a degree. The different between China and the US is the CCP is in "permanent" tyrannical control vs. the US et al have democratic elections and at least the society, the people, have the chance to evolve society to elect better people who will steer the ship better towards the ideal global society.

Electoral politics in the US has done nothing to stop the US from invading countries around the world (particularly in the Middle East) for the past half a century+. Who would I vote for if I wanted to stop bombing people? There is no one.

Well, there was, but a lot of people really went out of their way to remove him from power.

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Post by codingdave »

tacostakohashi wrote: post #146

I don't really have much of an opinion on how twitter should approach world leaders. I'm more interested in the approach of world leaders to twitter. As far as I'm concerned, people receiving salaries from the taxpayer shouldn't be spending their time writing free copy for twitter. They should be communicating with the public via government operated websites, or press conferences covered by multiple media organizatio…

> They should be communicating with the public via government operated websites

Most everything a government official or board or committee does is on the public record. Saying they cannot use 3rd party tools to organize, document, and communicate their actions would be more expensive and time consuming for them, which ultimately takes them away from the business of actually governing.

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Post by jpxw »

tacostakohashi wrote: post #146

I don't really have much of an opinion on how twitter should approach world leaders. I'm more interested in the approach of world leaders to twitter. As far as I'm concerned, people receiving salaries from the taxpayer shouldn't be spending their time writing free copy for twitter. They should be communicating with the public via government operated websites, or press conferences covered by multiple media organizatio…

A key issue with politicians’ use of Twitter is that Twitter’s userbase is a very poor reflection of the wider population.

Politicians who are on Twitter, whether they know it or not, start to drift towards the views of Twitter users. Dopamine, like that which you get from from a popular tweet, is a powerful drug, and will alter peoples behaviour.

Aside from that, though, it seems the medium of Twitter has a remarkable ability to bring out people’s most toxic sides... it’s really not healthy.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Post by hristov »

I think twitter should give foreign leaders pretty wide latitude to tweet, as long as they do not call for violence, use their tweets to command foreign agents, etc. Of course twitter can put notices on their tweets that these are foreign leaders that may not have the best interests of Americans at heart.

It is rather pathetic that the citizens of the US, which is supposed to be a democracy run by its citizens are too scared to communicate directly with foreign leaders but are begging the government to create a smoke screen of propaganda so that their fragile minds can be protected from direct statements of foreign leaders.

We are supposed to be adults and we are supposed to be making the major decisions for our the direction of our nation and forcing our politicians to execute our will. We are not supposed to be scared children begging an expensive army of government officials, journalists, and shady "analysts" to protect us from the reality of the world.

If you let someone else shape your world view for you, they will do it to their advantage, and in the US this usually means more war, more tax payer dollars spend on the military, more death. Most of the more recent wars the US got into have been aided by carefully manufacturing powerful supervillian images of foreign leaders who were usually just garden variety low level a-holes that were completely harmless to the US.

So man up, or woman up, read what the other people have to say directly from the source and try to make the best decision for the nation and yourself.

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Post by dv_dt »

BoorishBears wrote: post #219
dv_dt wrote: post #202

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Not all opportunities are exercised - but especially on HN I would think we should realize that it's significant that they exist. But your comment also brings up a possible secondary benefit: the benefit of the people to see and possibly get in contact with other real people (real for the most part hopefully), as they criticize world figures. This is something that doesn't exist in other media outlets or exists only…

No idea what that first paragraph is trying to say. And people can contact other people and criticize world leaders whether or not those leaders spend countless hours a day tweeting. Twitter is quite possibly one of the worst places for that anyways for multiple reasons (established fake account infrastructure distorting conversations, poor layout for async discussion between many people, etc)

I was trying to say that just because one individual leader did not avail himself of the opportunity, doesn't mean that having that opportunity exist isn't valuable overall.

People can contact each other but having the leader somewhere available provides a focal point that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Twitter has problems - but it's not clear to me how a lot of the problem unique problems of twitter vs common problems of meeting and filtering out any anonymous mass of people at a party or conference.

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Post by andyxor »

at_a_remove wrote: post #79

A Republican Congresswoman was just locked out of her Twitter account prior to some kind of Dem resolution, at least if you believe https://www.mrctv.org/blog/marjorie-taylor-green-reportedly-... as a source of truth. Nothing to see here, move along.

Cancel culture in action.
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