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Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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World leaders should not have a forum on Twitter. We have official government channels for that, where other stakeholders in the system provide their input before the message becomes public. If an individual moves into the position of a world leader or equivalent, their account should be frozen until such time that the position ends. This is the only sane policy. Anything else is too dangerous for humanity. Twitter a…

I think I disagree there. Though there are negative effects, one positive effect is that Twitter creates an opportunity for direct public feedback being seen by world leaders vs official channels that insulate from that feedback to a much higher degree. Though I do say "opportunity" because obviously leaders can create organizational insulators to Twitter accounts just as with any other channel.

What feedback?

Does anyone think Donald Trump ever actually read those one-line zingers random celebs would reply to his tweets with?

Do people think some dictator is going to ignore the people they're oppressing but listen to @xx69destroyerman calling them out?

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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World leaders should not have a forum on Twitter. We have official government channels for that, where other stakeholders in the system provide their input before the message becomes public. If an individual moves into the position of a world leader or equivalent, their account should be frozen until such time that the position ends. This is the only sane policy. Anything else is too dangerous for humanity. Twitter a…

It sounds like you're proposing something where some politicians can participate in discourse on Twitter but not their slightly more successful rivals?

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Politicians like everyone else are entitled to their own opinions, but they aren't entitled to their own facts. We should hold all of our politicians accountable to provide factual information. It's one thing to say "I believe the election was rigged based on facts X,Y,Z" and quite another thing to say (real tweet): " “I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!” Maybe world leaders need…

Isn’t spreading political disinformation, hate speech, etc. not allowed on Twitter? I think that’s generally a good policy; and they should just treat this kind of speech from political leaders, the rich and powerful, etc. the same way they’d treat it coming from a nobody.

The most visible accounts should be the ones subject to the highest level of scrutiny and moderation. Doing it the other way round is bizarre, IMO.

We’re living in a time where most people on Earth have an unprecedented ability to broadcast their opinions to the world, effectively free of editorial oversight, and I think a lot of people forget that. Especially given how quickly this change has happened, it’s kind of nuts to see so much hand-wringing over media platforms exercising a bare minimum editorial oversight to prevent incoherent toxic bullshit from dominating the information landscape they host.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Oddly, until recently they were. It only became different recently and obv xkcd popularized the idea, but if freedom of speech isn’t associated with freedom from persecution it’s not really free speech. Everyone in the world has the right to free speech because they can literally talk and say whatever they want, but if the society that speech is spoken in doesn’t agree to allow that speech to be spoken freely (as in…

>but if freedom of speech isn’t associated with freedom from persecution it’s not really free speech. Given that every government in history which has recognized the concept of "free speech", including the United States, has regulated and even outlawed some forms of speech, and given that "consequence" is a natural, emergent property of societies and the fact that humans are social, emotional animals who don't proces…

If you continue being okay with every loss of speech, then the only endpoint will be to have no speech at all.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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I don't really have much of an opinion on how twitter should approach world leaders. I'm more interested in the approach of world leaders to twitter. As far as I'm concerned, people receiving salaries from the taxpayer shouldn't be spending their time writing free copy for twitter. They should be communicating with the public via government operated websites, or press conferences covered by multiple media organizatio…

It's not "free copy for twitter" anymore than a press briefing is "free copy for newspapers".

Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening.

Today, Twitter is just as important of a conduit as newspapers or the evening news.

People already read Twitter and find it far more convenient to follow a world leader than to visit individual sites or set up an RSS reader.

Also you might be suffering from a legal misunderstanding -- Twitter doesn't get any kind of monopoly, free or otherwise, on someone's tweet. You keep the rights to your tweet.

There's zero difference between journalists reporting on a press conference and reporting on a tweet, except that tweets are instant while press conferences take time to set up.

And also that tweets are direct to the public, while when you read a journalist's article they might be omitting parts or spinning it.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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I don't really have much of an opinion on how twitter should approach world leaders. I'm more interested in the approach of world leaders to twitter. As far as I'm concerned, people receiving salaries from the taxpayer shouldn't be spending their time writing free copy for twitter. They should be communicating with the public via government operated websites, or press conferences covered by multiple media organizatio…

It's not "free copy for twitter" anymore than a press briefing is "free copy for newspapers". Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening. Today, Twitter is just as important of a conduit as newspapers or the evening news. People already read Twitter and find it far more convenient to follow a world leader than to visit individual sites or set up an RSS reader. Also you might be suffering fr…

> Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening.

I don't disagree with your post, but do general Government communiques not come in the form of press releases to all willing outlets?

Perhaps Twitter should at itself to the list, and press releases come with an abridged 280 character surmisal that they could then use.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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World leaders should not have a forum on Twitter. We have official government channels for that, where other stakeholders in the system provide their input before the message becomes public. If an individual moves into the position of a world leader or equivalent, their account should be frozen until such time that the position ends. This is the only sane policy. Anything else is too dangerous for humanity. Twitter a…

That should be up to countries, not Twitter.

Whether a world leader can announce a war without consulting with the military first has nothing to do with Twitter. In the past (and present), they can still do that just as easily over live radio, live TV, or announced to journalists as breaking news.

It's up to a country to determine the official processes by which a leader can speak to any media outlet.

For most leaders, they use Twitter responsibly and blandly, not very different from other channels, and honestly their staffers manage it for them. If a leader is irresponsible, then it's up to the legislature to take action.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "free copy for twitter" anymore than a press briefing is "free copy for newspapers". Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening. Today, Twitter is just as important of a conduit as newspapers or the evening news. People already read Twitter and find it far more convenient to follow a world leader than to visit individual sites or set up an RSS reader. Also you might be suffering fr…

> Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening. I don't disagree with your post, but do general Government communiques not come in the form of press releases to all willing outlets? Perhaps Twitter should at itself to the list, and press releases come with an abridged 280 character surmisal that they could then use.

I live in New York and I get different pieces of information from the government via pretty much every channel -- direct e-mail, Facebook, Twitter, websites, billboards, ads in the subway, post office mailings, newspapers, etc.

Different government agencies and officials at different levels (city, state, national) use all sorts of different communication methods.

Governments have been heavily involved in media campaigns across all channels as long as there's been media.

Press releases are just one communications channel among many. Twitter is just the ~newest in a very long line.

Re: Calling for public input on our approach to world leaders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "free copy for twitter" anymore than a press briefing is "free copy for newspapers". Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening. Today, Twitter is just as important of a conduit as newspapers or the evening news. People already read Twitter and find it far more convenient to follow a world leader than to visit individual sites or set up an RSS reader. Also you might be suffering fr…

> Leaders communicate wherever people are already reading and listening. I don't disagree with your post, but do general Government communiques not come in the form of press releases to all willing outlets? Perhaps Twitter should at itself to the list, and press releases come with an abridged 280 character surmisal that they could then use.

Some of them do, but others go out via Tweet, advertisements, physical signage, websites, email, and a variety of other channels.

The government has to fight the meme wars just like anyone else who wants to compete for attention.

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