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Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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Unpopular opinion: I think government services and offices should remain offline-first forever. They should offer online equivalents, but they should never assume or require digital adoption. I think this has two big benefits: - Minor point: Greater resilience to downtime, interruptions to service - Major point: a check on becoming a faceless entity with no exposure to the public. Think Google or FB if you get flagge…

The ship has already sailed on the major point. It really doesn't help that both the high level administrators, the unions and a non-trivial amount of the public push things in the direction of bureaucrats just being cogs in the machine with no agency.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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That's good for you, but it sounds like you are spending way more time managing finances online, than I do offline ;) I have an average weekly budget that I keep track of in my head, and that's it. That's also the reason why I prefer paying in cash. Easier to keep track of the outgoing money.

> Easier to keep track of the outgoing money. It definitely is not. How is keeping track of random cash purchases in your head easier than a computer doing it for you automatically and instantly?

Ok, technically I don't keep track of it in my head, but in my pocket. I start with a given amount of Euros in my pocket. Each purchase reduces that amount. If I want to check my current balance I reach into my pocket and see how much money is left. Checking this against the current date gives me a rough idea if I'm over- or under-budget.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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how do you check your balance or transaction ? you only do that over the phone ?

I check the balance when I'm getting cash from an ATM. Transaction logs are sent by mail or I can print them at service machines. Really people, it's not that complicated, it worked before online banking was invented after all ;) I'm not sure if all those services (like the physical mail thing) are available to new customers though, I think those are nudged heavily to use an online account.

I only need cash for maybe once a month. Transaction logs sent by mail are way too slow.

Yea that way much slower and much less convenient compared to online banking.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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post #48

Unpopular opinion: I think government services and offices should remain offline-first forever. They should offer online equivalents, but they should never assume or require digital adoption. I think this has two big benefits: - Minor point: Greater resilience to downtime, interruptions to service - Major point: a check on becoming a faceless entity with no exposure to the public. Think Google or FB if you get flagge…

I think it makes accountability easier as well. And this is actually the reason why I don't do online billing as much as possible.

A stack of papers going back years showing that the corporate entity you're dealing with confirms that you payed them on time for years feels a lot better defense than:

Me: your honor, I swear I paid them Corp: our computer thingy says you didn't. also it's a tangle of 50 different sql databases, so we'll never know the truth for sure

Similarly, if you have a bunch of paper showing that you did something with respect to the government that feels safer than officers showing up to your house because a database upgrade went sideways. Something is traceable. There's an artifact that can be used to reconstruct what really happened.

And the government needing forms can be useful too. If an internal auditor (or reporter or something) shows up and finds a bunch of filled out forms in the trash or they see that some forms are intentionally not replenished, then they can bust some skulls. However, on the other hand if things are just "lol the computer says you can't have freedoms and liberty" then maybe it's because of a bug with respect to the hyphen in your last name or maybe it's because someone is persecuting you illegally, but nobody can prove anything and there's no trail to follow.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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I would imagine you do understand the advantage of 30 seconds of time from anywhere in the world versus a 20-60min round trip to the bank. I imagine there are other reasons you value than time and space convenience. Why do you feel the physical trip is more valuable?

I cannot speak for him but kind of understand. Obviously depends on what is it you want to do. You go to the bank and express what you need in simple speech to another human, who handles everything. Depending on the bank, a journey to do the same on web/app may be less preferable, especially if handle a lot of mental load during the day.

Getting a human to change over a bunch of direct debits from one account to another is way better than doing it myself online.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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yep, 30 years is enough time to pursue several degrees, let alone basic skills. What facilities do US prisons provide!?

The US prison system isn't designed around rehabilitation, but around profit. Just like the US justice system isn't designed around justice, but around righteousness. The fact that us-amerian judges fund their own election campaigns underlines the absurdity, and yet it's just one facette in a reality that's going well beyond the satirical ideas spun towards the end of the last century. Sorry if I'm rambling a bit, I…

>The fact that us-amerian judges fund their own election campaigns

Whether judges are elected or appointed varies by state and the states with appointed judges do better at some things but not others.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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I don't think anyone has any idea how disorientating tech can be until they've witness this for themselves. Also how hostile and large a divide tech creates that the industry doesn't give a damn about (I'm looking at you, Material Design and your crap low contrast fonts and lack of clear clickable buttons that has resulted in more support calls from my aging parents than probably anything else).

Anyhow, a neighborhood homeless man and I became friends and I'd help him out with $$ and food and drink from time to time. We'd hang out and I get to hear stories of all the crazy shit he'd seen in the past 40 years in the neighborhood, from growing up through the civil rights era and seeing the city burn in 68, to the lines of people around the block waiting to buy crack at Rayful Emmonds grandmothers house. He'd been in and out of jail, run with gangs, the full nine yards. After getting hit by a drunk driver on his way to holdup a liquor store to get money to buy his new baby diapers, he'd ended up on the streets with nothing but his stories and a bum leg.

Along the way, he told me about his wife and children, his stint at the Navy shipyards in Virginia Beach, and his childhood in North Carolina. He told me about how one day he'd love to travel back to his childhood home town and see his mother, who he'd purchased his childhood home for with the proceeds from his successful dealings at the shipyards.

One day, he mentioned he'd gotten some money and wanted to send his mother flowers, but he couldn't remember what the address was. I asked if he remembered how to get to the house, and he said he did, so I grabbed my laptop, opened up Street View in the center of the town and asked him which way to go.

I've never experienced quite such a reaction in my life. This was black magic fuckery to him and he thought I was using some secret government technology. I explained to him the general principles of it, and he just didn't believe it. Incredulous wouldn't describe a tenth of his reaction.

That reaction wasn't anything compared to when we finally found his mothers house. He couldn't believe that he was looking at the house he grew up in, had purchased for his mother and that he'd not seen probably 30+ years. He teared up looking at it and got quite emotional. I offered to find her phone number so that he could call her, but it was too much for him at the time, and he waved it off.

He eventually got housing through a city program, and I lost touch with him as he stopped frequenting the neighborhood.

Old Dirty, if you're still out there, I miss your company and stories and hope you're doing well!

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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post #48

Unpopular opinion: I think government services and offices should remain offline-first forever. They should offer online equivalents, but they should never assume or require digital adoption. I think this has two big benefits: - Minor point: Greater resilience to downtime, interruptions to service - Major point: a check on becoming a faceless entity with no exposure to the public. Think Google or FB if you get flagge…

> Unpopular opinion: I think

This part of the comment doesn't add anything. We can leave "I kNoW I'lL bE dOwNvOtEd BuT..." on reddit.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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The US prison system did exactly what the US prison system is designed to do. It's never been a rehabilatory system and we will have to fight to improve it.

It's worth mentioning that this doesn't mean it's currently designed to be punitive. It's really just evolved into a system that extracts a very large amount of money via taxes and uses that money to pay various correctional staff and industries to deliver absurdly poor quality services and products. For them, it's a really sweet gig and they're pretty happy that the overall public is apathetic to the situation.

I disagree. In the US, the public also is pretty happy to lock people away for extended periods of time.

Re: Out of prison after 30 years and people telling him to find forms on the web

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I'm sure many people here have experienced frustration helping older relatives or friends use computers. Recently though, I realized, that computers are just way too hard to use.

In our pursuit to avoid cryptic black screens with command prompts, a user must now understand that their computer has Windows with all of its menus and functions, a browser window with all of its menus and functions, running a webapp, with all of its menus and functions. Whenever functionality bleeds into other layers ("how do I print this pdf file"), it is a huge hassle trying to explain "oh, it's not that print button, its this other print button".

It makes me sad to think that people prefer their "appliance computers" (phones, tablets, chromebooks) over real computers, but I can hardly blame them.

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