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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

Just a slight perspective, I'm not from the US, I'm from israel. We have a black jewish population here, they yearned their return to Zion(israel) for thousands of years. The state of israel, invested money and effort in organizing their return. Non of their ancestors were slaves. We have social issues, mostly because the huge differences in culture and exposure to technological and educational advances. And the fact…

I see the same thing in the Netherlands; the way some people talk you would almost get the impression that Floyd was killed in Amsterdam or something.

Not that we don't have problems with racism – we absolutely do – but the context and reasons are just completely different to the point where the American conversation on the topic for the most part just doesn't apply at all, but unfortunately not everyone seems to have realized this.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#982

One day, IKEA chooses to change their kitchen countertop depth from 28 inch to 29 inch. Supposedly 28 is a nazi number, since 2 and 8 can become B and H, which could mean Blood and Honor, i.e. a nazi reference. Thus, IKEA, issues a press release where they emphasize their inclusive policies and awareness. Since they don't want to cause further trama for their Jewish customers, they're making this change. You happen t…

They could also simply change to metric units: 28 inch = 71.12 cm ;-)

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#983

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

As a white dude, I feel really ashamed for this even though I'm not involved in this at all. Sorry man, you deserve a better world.

As an independent who has both democratic party and liberalism as my part of my makeup I have to say this overcompensation from the far left is nuts. It's some kind of white man's guilt complex. I believe everyone is created equal and we have to always be diligent about keeping that at the forefront, but the terms master/slave and their ilk (in english) were around looooong before the whole white/black slave travesty happened. The same with white/black list. Until I hear some prominent black leaders sayign the community at large has an issue with it then I don't really care what some blogger or guilt stricken white people say. It's overcompensation and cancel culture all rolled into one.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#984

Why do people call themselves Black in a first place? Neither calling someone White or Black is accurate - perhaps why we have: Brown? Calling someone Yellow, I think, is still considered offensive though. Indicating your belonging by color confuses. Color is such a crude indicator as it groups individual certain way, whether one wants it or not. Overall, color coding, or grouping people by how well their skin is abs…

White people invented whiteness and blackness

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#985
An ordinary writer on a topic like this does not bury a link to Daily Stormer in the middle of the text.

Odds on this is a false flag "AsABlackMan" article & everyone responding to it has been had. Lobste.rs pulled it for this reason & the comments on r/programming are pretty direct.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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post #985

An ordinary writer on a topic like this does not bury a link to Daily Stormer in the middle of the text. Odds on this is a false flag "AsABlackMan" article & everyone responding to it has been had. Lobste.rs pulled it for this reason & the comments on r/programming are pretty direct.

That is extremely odd. The previous times I looked at this thread, I skimmed the article once or twice and mostly focused on the comments. Inevitably there was flamewar, trolling, and other dreck, but large parts of the discussion are worthwhile [1], even compared to the throng of threads HN has already had about this. I think that the comments from black software engineers on this issue are particularly worth reading and it makes me happy that HN is a place where they choose to share their perspectives [2] and the rest of us can hear them.

That said, that DS link is weird enough that a user emailed about it. My initial reaction was that we would need more evidence than just one link to make a moderation call about this being trolling. Fortunately the user who emailed questioned that further, which prompted me to read the article closely. Having read it closely, I've changed my mind—I'm not buying it. More precisely: I think the odds are > 50% that there's something false about this piece (and if so, most likely a whole lot false about it), so I'm going to restore the flags on it and put nofollow on the link.

This is one of those shitty situations where all we can do is guess and guessing wrong has bad outcomes either way. If the article is authentic I would want to respect the author. If the article is not authentic, then it's against both the rules and spirit of HN and should not be here. At the moment I'm guessing not. If new information comes up, we can revisit.

The natural thing to do in such a case would be also to kill the submission (i.e. make it [dead] in addition to [flagged], which is the maximal level of moderation we could do). But that would remove context from the discussion, which I don't think would be fair to the many thoughtful commenters who contributed. So at the moment I'm not going to do that.

For the future: if any of you see something like this and are willing to give us a heads-up at hn@ycombinator.com, I'd appreciate it. There's no way we can come close to reading everything closely. We can't even read everything loosely, or even see everything (probably not even 10%) of what gets posted here. There's far too much. Fortunately the HN community can see everything, so we rely on community members to be our eyes and ears. If a user hadn't pointed this out to me, I'd have continued to be ignorant about it, and most likely some people somewhere would have drawn some wrong conclusions about HN, the community, and/or the moderation here. I wish I'd known sooner, but better late than never.

[1] Note that this thread has over 2000 comments and you have to click 'More' at the bottom of the thread to get to them. The further you go the worse they'll get, so be warned.

[2] Of course, it's an anonymous forum and we have to take people's word about who they are—but I believe that the good commenters are being truthful. There's a certain type of low-rent troll who does that but the longer that sort of account talks, the more they usually give themselves away.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#987
post #982

One day, IKEA chooses to change their kitchen countertop depth from 28 inch to 29 inch. Supposedly 28 is a nazi number, since 2 and 8 can become B and H, which could mean Blood and Honor, i.e. a nazi reference. Thus, IKEA, issues a press release where they emphasize their inclusive policies and awareness. Since they don't want to cause further trama for their Jewish customers, they're making this change. You happen t…

They could also simply change to metric units: 28 inch = 71.12 cm ;-)

:)

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#988
post #985

An ordinary writer on a topic like this does not bury a link to Daily Stormer in the middle of the text. Odds on this is a false flag "AsABlackMan" article & everyone responding to it has been had. Lobste.rs pulled it for this reason & the comments on r/programming are pretty direct.

> An ordinary writer on a topic like this does not bury a link to Daily Stormer in the middle of the text.

Maybe the author simply isn't "ordinary"? Does it matter?

(I'm fully aware that a site that has "stormer" in its name is likely far-right but I appreciate diversity of opinion)

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#989

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

I'm African American & had the same reaction.

At the time, the master->main switch felt completely pointless.

But I came to appreciate the courage needed to actually commit. It's a signal that people do care.

Issue is, most folk have no idea on how to meaningfully contribute towards a lack of representation.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#990
post #985

An ordinary writer on a topic like this does not bury a link to Daily Stormer in the middle of the text. Odds on this is a false flag "AsABlackMan" article & everyone responding to it has been had. Lobste.rs pulled it for this reason & the comments on r/programming are pretty direct.

I'm out of the loop: what's wrong with Daily Stormer?
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