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Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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What is consciousness?

I have the feeling of experiencing things. Is it not possible that such a phenomenon can be produced within a machine?

When I try to answer this question, after coding for decades I can’t tell you how this phenomenon can be possible within a Turing machine.

So it seems obvious to me that (a) brains must be machines and (b) a machine cannot be conscious and so I conclude that (c) I don’t know what I’m talking about.

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I have been hearing about Koch, and Tononi, and panpsychism, and phi for years now, in these articles summarizing consciousness for laymen, (a group that includes me). And these very long articles bloviate but never go any further than giving a facile description of phi, claiming that this IIT "theory" is testable, and then not saying how it could be tested. The articles from five years ago and this one seem intercha…

A good place to start, if you are a firm skeptic and not willing to even attempt faith or your own empirical experiences, is a book called Entangled Minds. There is not a single claim made in this book which does not have a reference to a proper peer-reviewed paper attached to it, iirc several hundred papers in all. It firmly supports consciousness being in at minimum earthworms, and probably even ,,lower,, creatures…

The Amazon description says: "Radin shows how we know that psychic phenomena such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis are real, based on scientific evidence from thousands of controlled lab test".

Actually as far as I understand we know that telepathy does not work, and even more so with psychokinesis. Did you read the book, can you point me to the scientific evidence of psychokinesis?

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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What is consciousness? I have the feeling of experiencing things. Is it not possible that such a phenomenon can be produced within a machine? When I try to answer this question, after coding for decades I can’t tell you how this phenomenon can be possible within a Turing machine. So it seems obvious to me that (a) brains must be machines and (b) a machine cannot be conscious and so I conclude that (c) I don’t know wh…

What is a feeling?

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure we can. Biological life is something that replicates autonomously using DNA contained inside the apparatus of at least one cell. Viruses are not alive because they can not replicate on their own and do not produce their own cells. More abstractly life is something that follows the Darwinian program as demonstrated on Earth. If you had competing, replicating programs in a virtualised Earth-like environment I woul…

You seem to be able to, but it doesn't seem to generalize to scientists in general: https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-is-life-its-vast-diversi...

I was creating an operational definition. Of course others disagree. That is how words work. They have narrower and broader meanings to different people or in different contexts. The fact the others disagree with my operational definition does not invalidate my operational definition which stands on its own.

Gp asserted "We don't know how to define life." I put forth a closed definition of life that makes sense. Others may have a less restrictive definition...my definition demonstrated that sufficient conditions exist to define life.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

#96

What is consciousness? I have the feeling of experiencing things. Is it not possible that such a phenomenon can be produced within a machine? When I try to answer this question, after coding for decades I can’t tell you how this phenomenon can be possible within a Turing machine. So it seems obvious to me that (a) brains must be machines and (b) a machine cannot be conscious and so I conclude that (c) I don’t know wh…

Have you ever had a moment when your program was more complex than you could grasp? Consciousness is just too complex to grasp, not transcendent. It's physical like everything else.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

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For a superb and rigorous account of the ontological basis of consciousness, and why it might be superior to panpsychism while being more in line with scientific evidence, check "The idea of the world" by Bernardo Kastrup (or any of his work/youtube interview). Really compelling case. He used to work at CERN, and was the youngest executive at ASML, till recent when he decided to dedicate himself solely to philosophy.…

I also vouch for Bernardo. I have read all his books.

His approach, reasoning and explanations have been very appealing to my analytical Mind.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

#98
> Some distinguish awareness from consciousness; I don’t find this distinction helpful and so I use these two words interchangeably.

We treat everything as an object, even mental thoughts and experiences. When we think of awareness, we objectify that awareness using one of the sense experience. But consciousness transcends awareness and in consciousness exits awareness. Consciousness is not an object of experience and that is why it is difficult to understand.

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A good place to start, if you are a firm skeptic and not willing to even attempt faith or your own empirical experiences, is a book called Entangled Minds. There is not a single claim made in this book which does not have a reference to a proper peer-reviewed paper attached to it, iirc several hundred papers in all. It firmly supports consciousness being in at minimum earthworms, and probably even ,,lower,, creatures…

How about a single neuron? After all, a single neuron is far more complex than a worm—just like a company is far less complex than the people who compose it.

How? A worm is a whole multicellular organism. A neuron's just a cell, one that's specialized into a single function.

All a single neuron does is pass a signal to the synaptic cleft in response to a chemical or electrical signal at the other end. It's a simple subunit of a larger system.

Saying a single neuron is more complex than a worm is like saying a cat6 ethernet cable is more complex than a blast furnace.

Re: Is Consciousness Everywhere?

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good place to start, if you are a firm skeptic and not willing to even attempt faith or your own empirical experiences, is a book called Entangled Minds. There is not a single claim made in this book which does not have a reference to a proper peer-reviewed paper attached to it, iirc several hundred papers in all. It firmly supports consciousness being in at minimum earthworms, and probably even ,,lower,, creatures…

How about a single neuron? After all, a single neuron is far more complex than a worm—just like a company is far less complex than the people who compose it.

Earthworms actually have a well developed nervous system, containing many neurons.
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