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All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by fastball »

acdha wrote: post #208
fastball wrote: post #204

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The problem is that I don't know whether or not she's factually correct in this case, that's kinda the issue with journalism. I can't just check some central database of reality to know if what she is saying is straight up true and accurate or completely false or somewhere in between. Even if you could do that, "facts" can be easily presented in a way that is misleading, as I'm sure you are aware. What I have seen is…

If you are so bothered by her work, do your homework and critically examine it before posting. You would either find that your dislike is emotion not based in fact or you’d find real problems which you could point to — that’d be far more effective at convincing people.

I actually have seen real problems from her on Twitter and had a look, but her timeline is a bit of a mess and unfortunately I do not have the time at the moment to dig through 20k tweets.

I used to follow her on Twitter because I appreciated a critical voice about all the crypto shenanigans. But at some point I realized the stance was less "pro-truth" and more "anti-crypto", so I unfollowed for that reason. Actually reminds me of my own stance on Julian Assange – liked him when I thought he stood for truth, stopped when I realized it was less "pro-truth" and more "anti-America".

To my mind, being a journalist isn't about stating facts, it's about presenting an accurate picture of reality. You can state facts all day, but if you're cherry-picking them to paint a particular picture, I'm not a fan.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by nailer »

dash2 wrote: post #178
nailer wrote: post #165

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> No, it's a critique of the art. It points out that the images are unfunny satire, or earnest political right-on-itude, or just trying out photoshop filters. Humor is a matter of personal taste. Art isn't craft.

Sure! People who forward Facebook posts for their biting political wit will love this stuff, and who am I to disagree?

The artwork doesn't remotely strike me as the kind of thing one would typically see on Facebook. More 4chan, Tumblr, etc.

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Post by cwkoss »

imaginationra wrote: post #124

Mediocre artist using cg as a crutch with a gimmick of making an image everyday- yeah that's called "work" and you are supposed to work everyday- I don't see what the big deal is. Don't we all work everyday? Can I make a commit for 5000 days in a row then sell the text as an NFT? Probably not as I couldn't gain 2 million InstaZuck followers by creating commits with "trump sucks" and "whoa the future is crazy maaaan"…

I find your extreme negative reaction to his success kind of amusing.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by vagrantJin »

swiley wrote: post #122
vagrantJin wrote: post #115

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Beeple is a modern master of his craft. He can host it on Deviant art, xvideos or bestgore if he so pleases. Doesn't take away the craft and the endless hours of sweat put into its mastery. Even picasso was alleged to have told a diner to pay him an absurd amount of money for his napkin sketch - because it took him a few decades to get to draw like he did. And I think Picasso's artworks are trash.

People make a big deal about frames and galleries. Maybe the hosting service isn't quite so important but it's not irrelevant.

Why yes ofcourse. Let's worry about the stuff that doesn't take years to master. Silly me.

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Post by cwkoss »

jbluepolarbear wrote: post #189
cwkoss wrote: post #39

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What about the art offended you?

Did you read the article? Sexist, racist, and bigoted content.

I read the article and the critic is obviously trying to do a takedown, but none of the examples appear racist or sexist to me.

Do you agree with everything the critic said?

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Post by cwkoss »

dash2 wrote: post #159
cwkoss wrote: post #34

I walked away from this thinking the $69M image was much cooler than I expected it to be. Its like a representation of the artist's whole body of work, ~4000 lower quality sketches progressing into ~1000 in his current style. I feel like this art critic is not in touch with meme culture. Many of the examples contained were quite striking and interesting, don't find drawings of dicks or naked people particularly shock…

If your idea of traditional art is "bowls of fruit and historical figures", then I'd respectfully suggest that you may not be hugely in touch with art....

Yeah, I think 90% of museum art was made for old dead barons and aristocrats to whom I share little similarity.

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Post by tim333 »

sneak wrote: post #181
tim333 wrote: post #169

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I think in this case they did get property rights: >NFT carries no rights, express or implied, other than property rights for the lot (specifically, digital artwork tokenized by the NFT.. https://www.christies.com/pdf/onlineonly/ECOMMERCE%20CONDITI... So no rights apart from the property rights (Christies T&Cs)

The lot was the NFT. I don't believe that the text you quoted indicates that they get ownership of the copyright of the art. The art wasn't auctioned, the NFT was.

The catalogue says "EVERYDAYS: THE FIRST 5000 DAYS will be delivered directly from Beeple to the buyer, accompanied by a unique NFT"

So presumably an image file and the NFT. Bit vague on copyright.

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Post by tim333 »

codeulike wrote: post #182
tim333 wrote: post #177

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Well a different sort of sense. Price is not just about how nice something is - it's about things like supply and demand too. There is a limited supply of original Banksys and an infinite supply of copies.

But why is the original special? Just because people choose to believe that it is.

Well, because people think it is which comes down to psychology, culture etc.

It seems quite time honoured though. People probably thought an original cave painting was cooler than a copy of it.

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Post by the_other »

cwkoss wrote: post #216
dash2 wrote: post #159

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If your idea of traditional art is "bowls of fruit and historical figures", then I'd respectfully suggest that you may not be hugely in touch with art....

Yeah, I think 90% of museum art was made for old dead barons and aristocrats to whom I share little similarity.

And 100% of that stuff takes the piss out of the people it was made for in subtle and clever ways. It's deeper than you think, but you have to read around rather than look at the art to get it.

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Post by tracerbulletx »

The fact that the collection is literally a log of daily practice is very upfront. This is his daily sketchbook done in public starting from his very beginning of his journey creating art. Every single one of these was done in a day and are going to be rough ideas. To act all snooty about it is disingenuous and sounds like jealousy.
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