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Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Post by habi »

martincmartin wrote: post #136
Crazyontap wrote: post #131

I guess the majority of people on HN already know this more or less. The problem is still this: We still don't have good alternatives to Google's products and services. 1) Android: Google still owns all our phones. Even on rooted phones it hard to remove google services that god know send so many requests containing whatnot to the eeee addresses. Just install no-root firewall and you will be amazed the amount of pend…

Google Maps has the wrong street names near me, so I looked for something from OpenStreetMap. But there's nothing that works with Android Auto. In fact, there are only two Android Auto navigation apps, Google Maps and Waze. Both owned by Google, and Waze seems happy to send me through the most confusing intersections if it thinks it will save 5 seconds of driving time.

Have you tried https://www.magicearth.com? I’m using it on iOS where it supports Car Play. From a quick search it seems to me that it also supports Android Auto.

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Post by lensi »

koheripbal wrote: post #232
e40 wrote: post #187

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Switching to DDG? It’s 95% as good. I would say for personal stuff (ie, non-programming) it is. For programming, I continually have to switch back to google. DDG is way worse for me. Maybe it's just me, but the types of things I search for just don't work on DDG and I've wasted way too much of my time looking for answers using DDG, only to find them quickly with Google. It totally frustrates me, because I would much…

Even for personal searches, I find myself using the g! operator in DDG about 50% of the time to find what I'm looking for. Critical operators like "site:" are not available in DDG.

"site:" is definitely available in ddg and has been for a long time

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Post by roryokane »

lensi wrote: post #242
koheripbal wrote: post #232

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Even for personal searches, I find myself using the g! operator in DDG about 50% of the time to find what I'm looking for. Critical operators like "site:" are not available in DDG.

"site:" is definitely available in ddg and has been for a long time

Indeed. Proof: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+Google...

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Post by Bancakes »

karinakarina wrote: post #239
Bancakes wrote: post #227

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Yes, are you aware billion dollar corporations get away with leaking terabytes of information, so a smalltime ad company will get away with leaking data over time? Are you aware someone has to manually pursue startpage? If I can't ssh into their servers and have a look-see or run my own instance, then their claims are unverifiable.

You're completely right, Big Tech gets away with a lot - including collecting/selling a ton of data to make profit. That's because their revenue model is based on behavioral advertising. For Startpage it's always been based on contextual advertising. And, you don't need personal data for that. And, it happens that System1 is interested in "capturing" that revenue from contextual advertising. "System1 is interested in…

You really like to shill startpage for some reason despite a search engine needing 0 advertisements?

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Post by karinakarina »

Bancakes wrote: post #244
karinakarina wrote: post #239

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You're completely right, Big Tech gets away with a lot - including collecting/selling a ton of data to make profit. That's because their revenue model is based on behavioral advertising. For Startpage it's always been based on contextual advertising. And, you don't need personal data for that. And, it happens that System1 is interested in "capturing" that revenue from contextual advertising. "System1 is interested in…

You really like to shill startpage for some reason despite a search engine needing 0 advertisements?

As mentioned above - I'm a Startpage employee. I know quite a bit about the subject so I jump in when it comes up.

Advertising on a search engine is main form of revenue > pays employees > updates > keeps current users and gets new users. You could make the argument for crowd sourcing, but it doesn't always work.

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Post by Bancakes »

karinakarina wrote: post #245
Bancakes wrote: post #244

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You really like to shill startpage for some reason despite a search engine needing 0 advertisements?

As mentioned above - I'm a Startpage employee. I know quite a bit about the subject so I jump in when it comes up. Advertising on a search engine is main form of revenue > pays employees > updates > keeps current users and gets new users. You could make the argument for crowd sourcing, but it doesn't always work.

Interesting. I'm happy startpage gets revenue, whatever it is. I think I'll keep using ddg and a searx instance.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

karinakarina wrote: post #196
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #140

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1) I use VPN anyway, so Bing doesn't know who I am. 2) Bing belongs to Microsoft whose primary business is to sell software, not ads, so they are less dependent on collecting user information. 3) If I wanted a search aggregator, I would use a non-US company, for example, Qwant.

1) VPNs only hide your IP address. They don't make you anonymous. Search engines and websites can still track you. 2) If it's non-private, it still collects personal data. 3) Or Startpage - HQed in the Netherlands, hides IP address, Anonymous View feature lets you visit results in private, and Google results.

Well, I do everything I can to avoid tracking. I don't use any G$$gle service, browse with Firefox with a bunch of anti-spying extensions. Startpage is good, I switch to it if qwant doesn't produce the required result. But I heard it feeds into G$$gle.

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Post by troyvit »

ac29 wrote: post #218
troyvit wrote: post #114

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> AFAIK DDG may be doing all of those things too. Except that DDG explicitly says they are not: https://duckduckgo.com/privacy

The word "location" is nowhere in your link.

Sure! But the page does say this:

When you access DuckDuckGo (or any Web site), your Web browser automatically sends information about your computer, e.g. your User agent and IP address.

Because this information could be used to link you to your searches, we do not log (store) it at all. This is a very unusual practice, but we feel it is an important step to protect your privacy.

If they don't store IP addresses then (I believe) they can't use wifi-router-based methods to find your location. Your browser also doesn't get a popup asking to give ddg your location.

So yeah I stand by my link and my interpretation of it.

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