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Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by marvin »

afavour wrote: post #53
b112 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but, there are close to 200 vaccines. It isn't as if all vaccinations have stopped, there are other options, and panic and fear on the side of omg must vaccinate now, now,now! ? Any hint, even the slightest, that complications may be ignored, could result in untold masses refusing vaccination out of fear. So let's pause one vaccine for a few days, and see if moving ahead, or more research is required.

> there are other options Not with sufficient supply there isn’t. That’s the issue almost every country is facing, and AZ production plants can’t just flip a switch and start making Moderna vaccines instead. No matter what if you stop using the AZ you’re going to have a sharp drop in the number of vaccinations you’re able to do. That would almost certainly result in more deaths than the side effect of the vaccine. >…

The US will have >600 million doses from Moderna and Pfizer delivered by July, and currently even has 30 (soon 60) million AZ doses in storage that won't get approval before these 600 million other doses are delivered.

There's certainly countries where this will be a difficult ethical consideration, but it's far from clear-cut everywhere with the data and timelines that are currently available.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by hungryhobo »

qalmakka wrote: post #78
hungryhobo wrote: post #73

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You and a criminal both breath, does this mean you should also be arrested?

This makes no sense whatsoever. It just sounds smart, but it totally misses the point. Both are medications. Both are taken by healthy individuals. The comparison is sound and makes sense.

Are all medications vaccines? Are all medications used to prevent an highly transmissive disease? Are all medications designed to be administered within a short period of time? Come on it doesn't take a genius to see it's an apple to orange comparison

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

adrr wrote: post #37
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

I think the it will be shown the countries who took it seriously are going to winners both in terms in deaths, long term care for long haulers and economy. Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus.

This doesn’t make sense. Japan and South Korea didn’t even lock down or close schools, and compared to the USA they’re doing fantastic.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by mrabcx »

One important aspect: The AZ vaccine was in Norway (and many EU countries) initially only approved for those under 65. The AZ vaccine in Norway has therefore solely been given out to health workers. On the other hand, in the UK the vaccine has been given out to both elderly and to health workers. It is quite possible that the immune response from AZ is not quite the same across age groups and may at times be more severe for a younger population.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by donohoe »

bumbada wrote: post #85
auiya wrote: post #17

Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.

That is a significant number for a medicament that is given to healthy people. If you had children and one of them died as a result of a vaccine, you would not say is a small population affected. There are other vaccines that can be used. I believe Oxford will license Sputnik and manufacture it.

Is it significant? The contraceptive pill has known risks of blood clotting that are significantly higher than that.

If we are full of concern about this, maybe we should be focusing more on a drug that is used by millions of women year over year to improve its safety.

https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/birth-control-method...

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by dionian »

vibrio wrote: post #4

Based on all the information provided in this article, this article is premature to publish. The headline is accurate, as 'experts say', but lack of any independent support of data supporting the claim, makes this dubious (at best) to publish at this point.

Is there any independent support of data which contradicts the claim?

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by hvac »

logicchains wrote: post #41
groby_b wrote: post #33

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I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the people who advocated against it, simply to further political goals. And try them for murder.

How about trying for murder the people who advocated the global "soft" lockdown that plunged hundreds of millions of people in poor countries into poverty ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c... ) and killed hundreds of thousands of children ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-childr... ), just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or…

https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/

That Reuters article is speculation from nearly a year ago.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by blululu »

logicchains wrote: post #46
adrr wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the it will be shown the countries who took it seriously are going to winners both in terms in deaths, long term care for long haulers and economy. Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus.

>Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus. The biggest "Asian" countries excluding China, Japan and Korea, didn't have hard lockdowns like in New York or California (Japan's constitution didn't even allow it), just voluntary social distancing and early closure recommendations, and effective contact tracing. China had lockdowns but it's econ…

Hard vs Soft lock down is maybe a difficult distinction. Excluding China, Korea and Japan is a lot but Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and Singapore all had lockdowns that were stricter (more observed and more enforced) than anything in California. Of course a lockdown has less impact when it is not really enforced (California) and you could make the case that near universal mask wearing has been a bigger boost to most Asian countries’s efforts to stop Covid-19.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by simonh »

jansan wrote: post #25
simonh wrote: post #5

Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…

> I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway. Dude, it has been seen outside Norway, and the observations are exactly the same, at least here in Germany. A certain group of people, maybe in combination with a certain type of drug they are taking, seem to be at risk for a very specific thrombosis in combination with a very low blood p…

Thanks you, that's very helpful. None of the articles I've come across on this have explained the context outside Norway, including the one linked in this thread.
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