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Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by hvidgaard »

chii wrote: post #54
hvidgaard wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 have had the immune response in about 120.000 vaccinated with AstraZeneca. That's too small a sample to really conclude anything, but as far as Norway is concerned it might be a 1:40000 risk.

but norway has to consider whether they just got _really_ unlucky, and saw these numbers, when some countries like the UK hasn't. Or the UK has, but they are either unreported, or the different demographic group is not showing up with the same numbers so uncomparable. It's a hard thing to tease out.

I agree, as I said it's too small a sample to really say anything. If we include the numbers from Denmark it's 4 in 250.000. Still not good if we need to use it on a large scale, and certainly not if we need to use it again and again.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by sofixa »

logicchains wrote: post #41
groby_b wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the people who advocated against it, simply to further political goals. And try them for murder.

How about trying for murder the people who advocated the global "soft" lockdown that plunged hundreds of millions of people in poor countries into poverty ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c... ) and killed hundreds of thousands of children ( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-childr... ), just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or…

How about trying for murder the people who advocated that the economy is more important and killed thousands of people through negligence? We can never know due to the vast array of different variables involved, but to say what Brazil is going through, or what some US states went through, and the associated death toll is somehow better than a lockdown seems a very weird take.

When thousands are sick, and hospitals are full, medical personnel is stretched to their limits, nobody can get intensive care, regardless of age. Poverty is a serious issue that needs to be tackled, but ignoring direct and indirect deaths due to Covid is simply wrong.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by hungryhobo »

acallaghan wrote: post #45

The rate of blood clots as a side effect for the AZ covid jab is less than that of the combined contraceptive pill - does that mean that both need to be discontinued?

You and a criminal both breath, does this mean you should also be arrested?

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by BrianOnHN »

hungryhobo wrote: post #73
acallaghan wrote: post #45

The rate of blood clots as a side effect for the AZ covid jab is less than that of the combined contraceptive pill - does that mean that both need to be discontinued?

You and a criminal both breath, does this mean you should also be arrested?

Criminals aren't arrested for breathing. Next!

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by piokoch »

Is there some massive action against AZ vaccine. Looking on any provided data it seems that those blood clots cases are below population averages, but everyday I read about someone killed by AZ vaccine.

I feel lost, frankly speaking. AZ vaccine is way cheaper than Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, could it be some PR action from those producers whose business is hurt by AZ.

I don't want to sound as some proponent of conspiracy theories, but is there any reliable source that confirms that there is something wrong with the AZ vaccine. For now it looks like some governments got scared by people panicking on Twitter and started panicking too...

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by marvin »

jansan wrote: post #57
5cents wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, and this far, "only" 8 women below 60 years have died from COVID-19 (in total) Source: https://www.fhi.no/sv/smittsomme-sykdommer/corona/dags--og-u...

Uh, I did not think that far. So if the vaccination is responsible for the deaths, it almost killed half the number of women below 50 that COVID has since March 2020. Fucking hell, and people outside Norway complain that the governmend is taking action? (EDIT: only one death, not three)

It's one death, not three, but I share the conclusion with the data that's currently available.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

dsnr wrote: post #18
dekhn wrote: post #15

There is absolutely not enough evidence from this particular doctor to justify the claim. It's irresponsible to publish this.

> In collaboration with experts in the field from the University Hospital of North Norway HF, we have found specific antibodies against blood platelets that can cause these reactions[...] So the evidence is definitely not from only „this particular doctor“, but from a group of experts on the matter.

> we found specific antibodies against blood platelets

So are they claiming that this is actually due to the vaccine formulation itself, i.e. does this finding exclude the initial hypothesis of a Quality issue or a specific 'bad batch' of the vaccine?

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by qalmakka »

hungryhobo wrote: post #73
acallaghan wrote: post #45

The rate of blood clots as a side effect for the AZ covid jab is less than that of the combined contraceptive pill - does that mean that both need to be discontinued?

You and a criminal both breath, does this mean you should also be arrested?

This makes no sense whatsoever. It just sounds smart, but it totally misses the point. Both are medications. Both are taken by healthy individuals. The comparison is sound and makes sense.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by BrianOnHN »

marvin wrote: post #64
cranekam wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

40 out of 17 million is 0.0002%. Surely 0.0002% of any cohort go on to develop blood clots? I'd certainly pick those odds over being unvaccinated.

If the risk turns out to be 1 in 50.000, which would be on the conservative side if the observations from Norway are correct, it's not a clear-cut question in a country with low incidence of Covid. Especially if other vaccines are available with a small delay. The British tool for calculating covid risk puts risk of death as 1 in 500.000 for a healthy 25-year old, and risk of hospital admission as 1 in 13.000. Must a…

> risk turns out to be 1 in 50.000

It's more like 1 in 500,000.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by swader999 »

_fnhr wrote: post #60
mynegation wrote: post #30

Is there any history of such reactions to vaccines in the past?

Most well known is probably narcolepsy induced by Pandermix flu vaccine. [1] But in my understanding any vaccine can have side effects. When my kids get vaccinated I always have to sign a paper stating that I understand the risks of possible seizures, blood cloths, sudden death, etc. Even thou I understand that risks are very small it's always hard to read and sign something like that. [1]: https://www.sciencemag.org…

The car ride to get the vaccine is the bigger risk in their day.
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