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Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by logicchains »

groby_b wrote: post #33
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the people who advocated against it, simply to further political goals. And try them for murder.

How about trying for murder the people who advocated the global "soft" lockdown that plunged hundreds of millions of people in poor countries into poverty (https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c...) and killed hundreds of thousands of children (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-childr...), just to increase the life expectancy of their 80 year old grandparents by a year or two.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by b112 »

afavour wrote: post #19
simonh wrote: post #5

Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…

> This is a real-life example of the runaway railcar switch dilemma. The train car is heading towards a crowd of millions of people and will plough through the middle of them killing many hundreds, or you can throw the switch and divert the railcar so it hits a handful of people prone to the blood clot reaction. In this situation it's not that much of a dilemma, though. It's not as if those prone to blood clots are n…

Yes, but, there are close to 200 vaccines. It isn't as if all vaccinations have stopped, there are other options, and panic and fear on the side of omg must vaccinate now, now,now!?

Any hint, even the slightest, that complications may be ignored, could result in untold masses refusing vaccination out of fear. So let's pause one vaccine for a few days, and see if moving ahead, or more research is required.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by sobriquet9 »

simonh wrote: post #5

Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…

Your options are not just A) take the AZ vaccine right now, and B) never take any vaccine.

You can also wait until more data becomes available, or until another vaccine becomes available. Doing so does carry some incremental risk, but this risk is smaller than the risk of not getting vaccinated ever.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by germinalphrase »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #8
ppf wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only the same standard were applied to all statements about Covid.

Or, really, everything in the news.

But... then... there would be less news.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by logicchains »

adrr wrote: post #37
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

I think the it will be shown the countries who took it seriously are going to winners both in terms in deaths, long term care for long haulers and economy. Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus.

>Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus.

The biggest "Asian" countries excluding China, Japan and Korea, didn't have hard lockdowns like in New York or California (Japan's constitution didn't even allow it), just voluntary social distancing and early closure recommendations, and effective contact tracing. China had lockdowns but it's economic numbers are extremely unreliable.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by ketamine__ »

einarfd wrote: post #27
vibrio wrote: post #4

Based on all the information provided in this article, this article is premature to publish. The headline is accurate, as 'experts say', but lack of any independent support of data supporting the claim, makes this dubious (at best) to publish at this point.

Do remember that this expert is the person the premier Norwegian hospital picked as their spokesman for their press conference on this. So in essence what he says is the opinion of the Norwegian health care system, not just his own, about these cases. This isn't some random expert, giving an of the cuff opinion.

But that's what I come to HN for.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by afavour »

lemmonii wrote: post #39
afavour wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.

Did you read the article? The Norwegians claim that one of the health workers died.

I meant to write “confirmed deaths”, sorry. Updated my comment.

“confirmed” might seem like nitpicking but it’s widely speculated that the actual death count for COVID is much higher than the confirmed number too.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by bennofs »

acallaghan wrote: post #45

The rate of blood clots as a side effect for the AZ covid jab is less than that of the combined contraceptive pill - does that mean that both need to be discontinued?

Maybe I've missed it, but I didn't find anything in the article about whether the vaccine does need to be discontinued or not. In any case, being clear about what side effects are possible and researching them to get a better understanding is a requirement in my opinion.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by bewaretheirs »

afavour wrote: post #26
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.

7 cases in Germany, with 3 deaths. Patients were aged 20 to 50 years.

https://www.pei.de/EN/newsroom/hp-news/2021/210315-pei-infor...

https://www.pei.de/EN/service/faq/coronavirus/faq-coronaviru...

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