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That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by oh_sigh »

minimaxir wrote: post #9
brianberns wrote: post #7

I fully support this lady’s “right to say dumb shit on the internet”, but if Gina Carano can be fired by Disney for her tweets, so can she (who actually wasn’t even fired). Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences.

There's a difference between being fired for an innocuous negative joke about a company and being fired for transphobia and antisemitism .

This is never a message I would post in a non-anonymous forum, because of fear of retaliation and being likewise labeled an antisemite and antitrans person.

If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me. It is probably representative of a vast misunderstanding of history, but nothing about the statement says that she hates Jews.

Likewise, if you say that you think it is silly to be forced to label yourself with your pronouns, that isn't really transphobic in my mind. You can be perfectly okay with trans people, but not like the idea of being socially forcing 99.4% of the population to label themselves for the benefit of 0.6% of the population. Anyways, I didn't even realize pronoun labeling was about trans, I assumed it was more for non-binary people. "I may look like a male and present as a male, but don't you dare use 'he/him' on me, I am a 'they/them', because I am one of the few to contain multitudes"

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by nrmitchi »

Aqua wrote: post #12

> So I looked at my husband and asked the big question: How far would he support me in taking this? What if I didn’t delete the tweet and I got fired for it and we lost our health insurance? He told me to stand my ground, even though he’s in multiple high-risk categories for COVID as a cancer survivor with asthma, and that’s why I love him so much. Heh I'll probably get downvoted for saying this, but that's not brave…

> she's literally trading more risk(and that risk concerns her family too) for no gain whatsoever (it costs nothing to delete a tweet, but the loss of her job could potentially cost her everything).

I have to disagree with both of these points, but am not downvoting you.

Even if you lose your job, you are still eligible for COBRA. She, and her family, would not immediately lose their health insurance. It might cost them a bit out of pocket, but they're not going to die. Further, I doubt someone who works in social media, in the tech space, and with 50k followers on twitter these days would not be able to find their way into another job.

Second, "costs nothing to delete a tweet", while financially true, is not true across the board. People do not like to be censored, especially needlessly so.

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by throwaway19937 »

mimikatz wrote: post #19

Sprinklr get this flagged?

I didn't flag this story but it doesn't gratify one's intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

The author wrote a tweet that upset one of her employer's clients - there's nothing you can learn from this.

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by ryanwhitney »

Shouldn’t be flagged. This is super insightful into the inner workings of two companies.

Good on the manager for supporting their employee and good on Figma for not giving into these scare tactics. Only a shame that the email from sales didn’t come with a “we don’t plan to give in over this or pressure our employee” as the email itself seems like undue pressure.

Hope Sprinkr is forced to use lesser tools because their VP decided to make an ass out of themselves over an innocuous tweet.

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by cosmotic »

nrmitchi wrote: post #22
Aqua wrote: post #12

> So I looked at my husband and asked the big question: How far would he support me in taking this? What if I didn’t delete the tweet and I got fired for it and we lost our health insurance? He told me to stand my ground, even though he’s in multiple high-risk categories for COVID as a cancer survivor with asthma, and that’s why I love him so much. Heh I'll probably get downvoted for saying this, but that's not brave…

> she's literally trading more risk(and that risk concerns her family too) for no gain whatsoever (it costs nothing to delete a tweet, but the loss of her job could potentially cost her everything). I have to disagree with both of these points, but am not downvoting you. Even if you lose your job, you are still eligible for COBRA. She, and her family, would not immediately lose their health insurance. It might cost t…

COBRA, while a nice safety net, can be VERY expensive

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by devscreen »

mimikatz wrote: post #19

Sprinklr get this flagged?

I posted it as I thought it was relevant to get a glimpse into the culture of both companies. I was surprised at how both companies managed it.

Also of note is the recent news that Sprinklr confidentially filed for IPO: https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/15/customer-experience-startu...

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by yanderekko »

oh_sigh wrote: post #21
minimaxir wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between being fired for an innocuous negative joke about a company and being fired for transphobia and antisemitism .

This is never a message I would post in a non-anonymous forum, because of fear of retaliation and being likewise labeled an antisemite and antitrans person. If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me. It is probably representative of a vast misunderstanding of history, but nothing about the statement says that she hates Jews. Likewi…

>If someone says that "We in group X have it as bad as the Jews did in Nazi Germany", that doesn't really sound antisemitic to me.

I'll note that what Carano did was actually weaker - she just said that tribal hatred motivated the persecution of Jews and that tribal hatred was also leading to the persecution of Republicans. Her critics were more than happy to prove her correct.

She never claimed that Republicans were being treated as poorly as Jews in Nazi Germany, just that the ugly impulses that lead to one sort of persecution were also motivating another. The most-repugnant part of her cancellation is the implicit double-standard wherein progressives are claiming cultural ownership of Nazi/Holocaust metaphors - when they use them to describe Republicans it's fine, but when Republicans try to create analogies it's presumptively anti-Semitic since it denigrates the horrors of the Holocaust.

Re: That time Sprinklr's VP of design tried to get me fired

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Post by dariusj18 »

brianberns wrote: post #7

I fully support this lady’s “right to say dumb shit on the internet”, but if Gina Carano can be fired by Disney for her tweets, so can she (who actually wasn’t even fired). Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences.

Gina Carano is an actress. Image is her business. She wasn't really fired for the content of her tweet, but for her inability to maintain her image.
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