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All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by Dzugaru »

bildung wrote: post #102
Dzugaru wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't get why this is a scam, there is a SHA-256 hash of the whole image in that token, complete with timestamp and a buyer signature - the buyer can certainly prove he was first (or Nth) to buy this exact thing anytime he wants (if he doesn't lose his private key ofc). Who cares if some URLs included do rot? It's almost the same idea [0] Galileo used 400 years ago to prove he was first to see Saturn rings by…

Because that doesn't make the image in question scarcer? I just went to Christie's site and copied it by just viewing the page.

Well, physical art reproductions are high quality already (I have some Van Gogh canvas prints I bought for like 50$ a piece on my walls). So you can't really say traditional art images are scarce too.

The thing is whoever is owns the original in some sense, even if you eventually cannot discern it with a microscope.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by swiley »

vagrantJin wrote: post #115
tablespoon wrote: post #17

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> I'm not sure I get this point of view. I think that Beeple is basically just a rando-tier DeviantArt/Tumblr artist, and much of his art is cringe to boot. Since someone purportedly paid the equivalent of $69 million in ETH for it, it's noteworthy that there's no there there.

Beeple is a modern master of his craft. He can host it on Deviant art, xvideos or bestgore if he so pleases. Doesn't take away the craft and the endless hours of sweat put into its mastery. Even picasso was alleged to have told a diner to pay him an absurd amount of money for his napkin sketch - because it took him a few decades to get to draw like he did. And I think Picasso's artworks are trash.

People make a big deal about frames and galleries. Maybe the hosting service isn't quite so important but it's not irrelevant.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by TheRealNGenius »

First I heard of Beeple was like a year ago, on Corridor Crew: https://youtu.be/_ul9jrCXhR4

So when I read about some NFT crypto art selling for 69 million, I was genuinely surprised that it was at least someone I had heard about before. It’s not exactly my cup of tea, but I respect Beeple’s dedication to his art.

When I read this article, it felt less a critique of the merits of Beeple’s art, and more like a hit piece on their character. Cherry-picked are examples of past artwork likely to offend somebody, somewhere. In my opinion, art critique isn’t that hard, I even wrote about it here, https://wndr.xyz/posts/9fjM1tOJO7MWX4fYw3AU2Q==/what-s-art-a....

This however is not an analysis of the artwork, but a meta-analysis of the subjects of Beeple’s art. If this qualifies someone a National Art Critic, then it probably is “fancy-dancy elite art homo” thinking. But hey, it got people to click and read their article I guess.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by imaginationra »

Mediocre artist using cg as a crutch with a gimmick of making an image everyday- yeah that's called "work" and you are supposed to work everyday- I don't see what the big deal is. Don't we all work everyday?

Can I make a commit for 5000 days in a row then sell the text as an NFT? Probably not as I couldn't gain 2 million InstaZuck followers by creating commits with "trump sucks" and "whoa the future is crazy maaaan" as the description everyday.... or could I?

All the "political" art is lame. That's all future dustbin stuff. It panders to plebs who don't understand how the world really works to pay the bills, boring.

There isn't even any layers of abstraction like some of the animations by Svankmajer have, its just topical Murican dumb shit.

It's like bro art. You know those dudes...

Dude's who have "cool tattoo's" and pride themselves on the kind of micro-brew beer they drink and smoke hand rolled cigars cut with Damascus steel or some shit- those dudes like that kind of art- its embarrassing.

Also the Beeple dude owes the Cinema 4d and Octane render programmers some money- without their engineering his "art" would have remained like those lousy drawings.

If 5000 of those drawings is the requirement for making 70 million all the ten year olds out there are going to be rich.

I really like Ethereum too- makes me feel dirty when I interact with the chain now. We should ask Lord Vitalik to do a hard fork so this shitty art NFT thing never happened.

They can have a new fork for the crappy art- Pabst Blue Eth.

None of his art says anything other than "look at me", but then again he's a "designer". Graphic designers/Mograph artists have nothing to say other than "look at me" They are the narcissists of the art world. They are soulless.

If they had souls, and had something important to say they would make full length narrative works but they don't. They just make stupid faces and do the "hang loose" hands or whatever the fuck that hand thing is that people do when they don't know what to say but are trying to act cool.

They make lots of money though, but that is also boring on its own.

The future is so boring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXrLA_P_q2c

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

imaginationra wrote: post #124

Mediocre artist using cg as a crutch with a gimmick of making an image everyday- yeah that's called "work" and you are supposed to work everyday- I don't see what the big deal is. Don't we all work everyday? Can I make a commit for 5000 days in a row then sell the text as an NFT? Probably not as I couldn't gain 2 million InstaZuck followers by creating commits with "trump sucks" and "whoa the future is crazy maaaan"…

>Can I make a commit for 5000 days in a row

Can you, though?

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by rsynnott »

codeulike wrote: post #112
techdragon wrote: post #98

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Wait... the only way this NFT stuff made any sense to me was if they were actually selling the copyrights via NFT... this was actually just a $69 million version of calling “dibs” like some kind of schoolchild? WTF!

Its somewhat like paying a lot of money for a rare vinyl record when the mp3 can be downloaded for free

It's one step beyond that; it's paying for some people on the internet to _pretend_ that you own the record. There is no actual literal transfer of ownership at all.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by Dzugaru »

zelos wrote: post #104
Dzugaru wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't get why this is a scam, there is a SHA-256 hash of the whole image in that token, complete with timestamp and a buyer signature - the buyer can certainly prove he was first (or Nth) to buy this exact thing anytime he wants (if he doesn't lose his private key ofc). Who cares if some URLs included do rot? It's almost the same idea [0] Galileo used 400 years ago to prove he was first to see Saturn rings by…

But presumably you could create an identical image with a different hash by changing 1 pixel? I'm not sure what trust problem the NFT solves.

What would that achieve? If you're late to the blockchain (or really any other distribution channel, like https://truetimestamp.org/ or something like this) your timestamp is greater than original and you own nothing. I don't really know how selling 2nd place works with NFTs but I assume you only can get it from 1st place owner (he has to sign it with his private key), so the scheme is solid. You cannot change a pixel and claim something.

The only problem I see is how the 1st buyer knows the seller is the artist not some random dude who changed 1 pixel (or even didnt). You actually cannot reliably sell something that has been published before cause everyone and their mom can claim ownership before 1st token.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by rsynnott »

zelos wrote: post #104
Dzugaru wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't get why this is a scam, there is a SHA-256 hash of the whole image in that token, complete with timestamp and a buyer signature - the buyer can certainly prove he was first (or Nth) to buy this exact thing anytime he wants (if he doesn't lose his private key ofc). Who cares if some URLs included do rot? It's almost the same idea [0] Galileo used 400 years ago to prove he was first to see Saturn rings by…

But presumably you could create an identical image with a different hash by changing 1 pixel? I'm not sure what trust problem the NFT solves.

Or indeed changing some irrelevant metadata that would have precisely no impact on what's rendered on the screen.

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by iSnow »

imaginationra wrote: post #124

Mediocre artist using cg as a crutch with a gimmick of making an image everyday- yeah that's called "work" and you are supposed to work everyday- I don't see what the big deal is. Don't we all work everyday? Can I make a commit for 5000 days in a row then sell the text as an NFT? Probably not as I couldn't gain 2 million InstaZuck followers by creating commits with "trump sucks" and "whoa the future is crazy maaaan"…

Love your rant, esp. when it gets to hard-forking ETH to fork out the beeple piece. That's a bit over the top, though, in the end, a blockchain is there for the uses it's users come up with. But you know this...

>Dude's who have "cool tattoo's" and pride themselves on the kind of micro-brew beer they drink and smoke hand rolled cigars cut with Damascus steel or some shit- those dudes like that kind of art- its embarrassing. I don't "get" modern art. Everything is ugly and has "deep" meaning in the sense a 16yo would consider deep. And the art crows is too scared to call the artists out. So yeah, I do agree, but it's not just this beeple guy, it's basically the last 50y of art history, give or take.

But then, those young, white, male hipster dudes have money to spend, so why should the art market not cater to them?

Re: All 5000 Images in Beeple’s $69M Magnum Opus:What I Found Isn’t So Pretty

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Post by javajosh »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #86
incrudible wrote: post #73

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> What's more interesting is the allegation that this is "tape painting": sold to an accomplice for the purpose of promoting the NFT "art" market. That's literally how the non-digital art market works, as well.

Art is the prototypical intersubjective meme, isn't it? You know something is art iff you know there's plenty of other people who also believe it's art. The quality of being art has some positive correlation with being aesthetically pleasing, and has some negative correlation with being useful for practical purposes, but the determining factor is whether you can reasonably expect other people to consider it art too.…

One datapoint in your favor is that the price was, specifically, 69 million. The purchase is an act akin to the art itself - puerile content at impressive scale.
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