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The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

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Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

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> the touch screen is resistive and requires a stylus. It does not require a stylus, and is superior to capacitive touchscreens in every way.

Are you still stuck in 2008? Perhaps worked at Nokia?

I heard this a lot back then. Even believed it myself because how could 1000s of engineers be wrong... Ohh how nice those screens felt!

Then again it required only a few seconds of iphone usage to realize what a lie it is. Even the first crappy android phones with capacitive touchscreens was enough to show this.

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

#52
post #33

I remember building simple PyQT apps on the N900, and then C++/Qt. At one point I was very tempted to start my own business and become a real developer for the platform while it was still "young", but it became apparent very quickly that Nokia was not seriously invested in it, and in any case they were not interested in small devs (getting an account for their joke of a store was a byzantine process, and expensive to…

> He kept going on about the marvels of QT - which at that point was already a decade old and hardly a novelty

From what I remember this was because they'd spent so much time and effort building up the maemo (or meeGo or whatever) and burned up so much goodwill with the switch to Qt. When the burning platform memo came out they'd literally just burned another platform, regardless of technical merit the timing for moving to Qt couldn't have been worse.

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running 5.11 on it though.

from my experience porting cyanogenMOD from android phones that only received 2.3 officially all the way up to 4+, you are likely running the binary kernel drivers as binary blobs for 2.6 and some kid in a forum either flipped bits at random while following a asm tutorial or wrapped it in a syscall shell that emulates an old kernel to the driver. or maybe the n900 had less esoteric peripherals than android phones. I…

Your experience isn't very relevant to N900 then. It's a proper GNU/Linux device, the only closed driver blob was for the GPU.

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

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I have both an N900 and a Pro1 and it's everything I wanted in a phone/device. I'm using self-compiled LineageOS on it right now and it is as "Linux-y" as I need and want, complete with a usable terminal and SSH apps. I'm not sure why you haven't been able to get a review unit of the new Pro1-x model, but I'll get in contact with someone at f(x)tec for you.

One thing from the N900 that I really miss on the Pro1 is the ability to multi-boot different operating systems. I think at one point I had five OS's running on my N900, mostly off of various microSD cards - Maemo, Android, Meego, SHR and Plasma Mobile. For the Pro1 I'd settle for being able to dual-boot Sailfish and LineageOS, but as it is now you need to pick one or the other.

Many people in the community are getting around this limitation by running virtual machines of the various operating systems they want. With the modern processor (compared to the N900) and the 6GB of RAM, performance seems to be totally usable on the Pro1.

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

#56

A family friend worked as an outside something at Nokia HQ around 2007(?) when the iPhone was announced. Apparently there was an ongoing joke inside of the company that every button on these phones was one of the executives. And so you had multiple buttons/ways of doing one thing because consensus. Sounds like they were just bogged down and crippled in a corporate way that so many European companies were between 1990…

There was no shock when iPhone was launched. Nokia had tried touch display phones already by that time and they had gone the way of N900 and deemed unviable. Disarray yes, but not because of iPhone. Of course there were people that appreciated the threat that iPhone might become, but if anything it was laughed at and ridiculed. I mean come on - no 3G and no QWERTY keyboard. Who in the world would use that! ;)

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

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post #36

I still hope some viable and fully open Linux option will emerge that's not Android. And have good quality devices with that. Google did a major disservice to Linux at large by the rift it caused. I don't want bionic with Surface Flinger. Give me a Wayland compositor and a normal Linux stack.

(disclosure: I work for Purism) That's exactly what the Librem 5 is about - https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ A regular wlroots-based Wayland compositor and regular GNU/Linux apps made adaptive to various screen sizes :) There's also the PinePhone which is much cheaper because of its lower-end hardware and the fact that its price doesn't include software development.

Sadly, neither of them are a match to even middle-class phones regarding hardware quality and performance.

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

#59
Heh. The N900 was an amazing device and I cherish the time I had with it.

However, it's also a painful memory, because I managed to brick the device after spending possibly hundreds of hours customizing it.

The first thing I did was let the micro USB port come loose--a common problem with the device, which seemed to happen to many over time. I remember still being able to charge it somehow (maybe I bought an external charger?). However, the nail in the coffin was when I was cleaning up some "unnecessary" cruft in the init directory, ostensibly to make the thing boot faster.

What I discovered instead was that there was a watchdog that monitored for the existence of crucial files, and, failing to find them, the phone would reboot itself. So my glorious N900 was caught in a bootloop, and moreover without a functioning USB port to re-flash the operating system.

Behind the battery, there are CPU pins that are directly exposed through a grid of copper pads. I made an attempt at wiring up a makeshift soldering job directly to the pins corresponding to a USB port, but failed to confidently pull off the dexterity to work with the small surface, as well as the care to do so without heating things up too much.

Of course I believe there existed a development device with pins that directly clamped onto the pads, but if such a thing was publicly available it was probably hard to come by at affordable prices.

I later tried to realize a similar experience to the N900 on Android using stuff like tmux and F-Droid. However, I have no good memories of any phone after my Nokia, and pretty much don't like phones at all at this point, and now just use my iPhone SE as a glorified flip phone with maps and a web browser.

Re: The Nokia N900: the future that wasn’t

#60
I still have one of these someplace in a drawer. Maemo was pretty nice, but the UX was all over the place sometimes and it became tedious to click through some menus with the stylus.

Running a browser on it was doable, but the bit that really became a blocker for me was the lack of a fast, simple e-mail client (even non-touch screen Blackberries were better, and had slightly better keyboards).

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