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Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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It was on the cell network, but it was purchased outright, not under contract. It does sound like the other commenter's theory that the SIM has "gone bad" may be true, but I had no idea this could happen, and I don't see how that makes it any more valid.

Have you removed the sim?

I tried removing the SIM, but that did not help.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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> Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can. This is a bit disingenuous. Apple isn’t forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, they are requiring they give users the option to sign up through the App Store. If most of their customers come from outside the App Store, this won’t make much difference to them. If they make less the $1m through the App Store, it will only be 15%. The…

> they are requiring they give users the option to sign up through the App Store And why is that ok?

Because as a user — they’re called user stories — I want all the money recurringly leaking out if my pocket accessible and manageable in one place with consistent user-favorable rules.

That’s why my persona exercised free consumer choice to opt into this philosophy instead of the competing camp. Years after last Android died I still had subs I couldn’t cancel unless I did chargebacks.

Stop trying to use regulation to take away my free market choice of ecosystem approach. I want the app appliance I can trust with one experience I can trust.

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What about customers who have found an app in AppStore, wanted to try it out only to find that they need to go through external websites and stuff. Not kind of UX you expect from iPhone.

Apple got paid for the phone and wouldn't have the app in its app store except for the requirement it be there to be installed in the first place. Rewarding a company for forced discovery is not a healthy thing.

Unless user didn’t buy the hardware but the experience in which case the reward is theirs by right.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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What about customers who have found an app in AppStore, wanted to try it out only to find that they need to go through external websites and stuff. Not kind of UX you expect from iPhone.

I expect any device with general purpose computing capabilities to allow me to use those capabilities anyway I want. Especially I'm spending $1000 USD on the thing.

Device evolved into a seamless hardware software experience, it’s no longer for hobbyists, much like transistor radios and Radio Shack.

Find a new proto-appliance to hack and shape, or buy from a different philosophy vendor.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Yes you can. Try and sell a product at any store and demand they take a 0% cut

Sigh I don't think you understand. The comment I was responding to said they dont want to use other payment processors. Walk into a store and demand that they use a payment processor you like especially ones with such onerous requirements. As for your comment normal producers of goods can sell directly or choose what stores to stock their product. However, here a developer has no choice but apple and the same goes fo…

This is backwards. Apple built in the shelf space, the device is a passport like a CostCo card, and users buy because membership has its privileges.

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I'm always amazed that in the land of the brave and free butchering general purpose computing machines is supposed to be justified by the fact grandma doesn't install the wrong apps. Funny is this argument always exclusively pops up when it comes to Apple smartphones. Are we supposed to lock every desktop down too because mom and pop installed a wrong toolbar? It's like the reverse 'but think of the children', and pe…

I'm always amazed in the land of the free and a forum for people who build tech products that so many people favor taking away your right to create a product and sell it on your own terms. I'm just not comfortable forcing Apple to change the software on its phones (relaxing app signing) or forcing it to distribute someone else's software for free. While I don't like the Apple tax, I really don't like the idea that fo…

I strongly disagree with the OS remark, a device is nothing when not operating, device and operations should be free to be designed built and sold together for best customer experience and safety with no regulatory waterline falsely limiting progress by discriminating between behaviors/logic implemented in memory, firmware, or silicon.

First sale means I’m free to break my device, fine, but cannot mean it must be left more breakable.

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It is still absolutely fascinating to me how we have arrived at a point where in order to use one's own device properly, one has to ask a US company nicely or be unable to do so - and people pay money for it. On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple. 30% of the world's population would, if their government cut a deal with Apple, be unable to install…

On the other hand, I spend 0% of my time managing iOS devices for my parents and am constantly bombarded with issues from my in-laws with Android phones. I agree that some of Apple's behavior is monopolistic and has some unfortunate, possibly unforeseen consequences, but the end result is pretty nice for the consumers who are willing to accept the compromise.

It’s just consoles vs. PC playing out in the consumer handset market and beige boxes are gradually losing ground.

This freaks builders out but shouldn’t, PCs are still a thing.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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I’m paying for a walled garden. I own the hardware, and with it bought software which I want to aggressively maintain it. If you don’t like the product, don’t buy it. Don’t compel them to satisfy your whim via police power of the state.

Walled gardens are also legally enforced by police power of the state. Otherwise, Epic would just distribute their own jailbreaks and tell Fortnite users to jailbreak their phones. Furthermore, I find it really frustrating how my desire for the ability to go a little bit outside of certain walled gardens is construed as me demanding you go outside the walled garden at all times. 95% of the walled garden is perfectly…

It’s not “construed as me demanding you go outside the walled garden at all times”, it’s that you’re making demands on a private company thru the police power of the state, rather than just not buying the product - and that such demands have consequences that reduce security and degrade via other unintended consequences.

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post #159

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> Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can. This is a bit disingenuous. Apple isn’t forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, they are requiring they give users the option to sign up through the App Store. If most of their customers come from outside the App Store, this won’t make much difference to them. If they make less the $1m through the App Store, it will only be 15%. The…

Arguing these fine points is a waste of time because I feel like people defending this are missing the complete insanity of this situation. Try a different perspective: Let's say Apple wants to sell their devices at "Billy's Electronics", which is a tiny kiosk at a mall with minimal foot traffic. Billy tells Apple that he'll only sell Apple devices at his kiosk if Apple agrees to give him 30% of all revenues Apple ma…

Yeah that is a great analogy to demonstrate the insanity of the situation. At the least 30% is far too high.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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post #159

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Arguing these fine points is a waste of time because I feel like people defending this are missing the complete insanity of this situation. Try a different perspective: Let's say Apple wants to sell their devices at "Billy's Electronics", which is a tiny kiosk at a mall with minimal foot traffic. Billy tells Apple that he'll only sell Apple devices at his kiosk if Apple agrees to give him 30% of all revenues Apple ma…

... but this is how actual retail works. Real-world Billy doesn't hold the "license to sell electronics," but the various mall management companies - of which there aren't very many - do in fact exclusively control the real estate in the shopping malls. They don't charge Apple a percentage of sales, but they charge them some amount of money for simply having the store, regardless of sales, which can be even more: if…

I think most reasonable people discussing this topic are aware that there are some similar arrangements made between retailers and manufacturers. The one big difference is that there is no retailer monopoly and thus the overhead they charge has been negotiated by the market. I.e. their overhead charges are probably a lot more fair than 30%.

If Apple were to allow alternative app stores, I think we’d see price normalization in this space. The various app stores would then be competing on price based on the costs of hosting their App Store service.

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