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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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When Darth Vader tells Luke that one day Luke will call him master, is he also committing a microagression? Maybe the writers were, but I doubt it. To most English speakers master just means person in control or source of truth. Or we should retcon Star Wars. Time to ban some more books and film I guess. Yay?

It can also be used in context of mastering a skill or in the audio world the final copy of a song is called a master. Now what?

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Please name one country that never had slavery?

There are a lot of countries 100 years or less old, that were parts of big european empires, unless you want to hold them accountable for what the foreign ruling class did.

Well ... it is societies which have a problem. As a German, my society is very old. As a country we are very young. But we would never think, that nationalism would not be a problem we had in our society.

Accountable implies a lot. But mindful we should be.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#633

When Darth Vader tells Luke that one day Luke will call him master, is he also committing a microagression? Maybe the writers were, but I doubt it. To most English speakers master just means person in control or source of truth. Or we should retcon Star Wars. Time to ban some more books and film I guess. Yay?

You'll pry my Master's degree over my dead cold hands

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I'm really tired of when someone groups all white people in the same category like we all have rich parents and only where we are because they paid off someone at a college. It's really offensive because I worked hard to get where I was at and had no help. It's like assuming all African Americans like rap and fried chicken. It's just really offensive.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#635
Semi-related: one of the things that really bugs me about master/slave terms as applied to databases is that it's a really bad metaphor. Sure, one node controls all of the other nodes, but if the master node dies one of the slaves will randomly get promoted to master. Or if you need to move regions maybe another slave will get promoted to master while the master will get demoted to slave.

Needless to say, this isn't how most slavery systems have worked the world over. I feel that writer/reader terms are more accurately descriptive anyhow.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#636

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

This. These changes to remove subconscious bias from our language are necessary. They are microaggressions which the average user doesn't even realize exist- but which do harms to some individuals in our society. This may be a minority group within our society- even a very small fraction of a percent- but removing biases which are perceived as harmful is one way that we as an organization demonstrate that we are bein…

Microaggressions aren't a well defined concept that actually exists.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#637

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

As an outsider, watching Americans complain about political fatigue is fascinating, and informative. Very clearly there is a pervasive feeling that the political apparatus of America is ineffectual. But instead of seeking to become engaged, many are sucked in by media rhetoric that assigns blame to a menacing adversarial out-group.

> It's not pervasive corruption that's to blame, it's the evil culture of people not like you and their corrupt representatives!

We have this where I live, but thankfully we also enjoy a fair amount of mobility; it's less common to be entirely surrounded by those who vote the same as you, and most ridings have flipped between two or three parties over the coarse of most constituent's lifetimes. While the ethnic diversity of the ridings has generally increased over the same time.

Americans could use more political diversity; you're choosing between neocons and neoliberals, and fighting visciously against each other to do so.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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post #619

Please name one country that never had slavery?

Never is a hard word. Let me explain: In the US the white were masters and the black were slaves. A white was rarely a slave, a black person was likely a slave. And slavery was not abolished that long ago. In MANY countries people of color X enslaved people of color X. So now - many generations later - no one knows anymore who was slave and who was master. So the term master is insignificant for the individuals in th…

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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

I generally agree with your statement. I am also an African American but my first reaction to the change was very positive. On a more technical and pedantic level, having a "master" branch really doesn't make any sense without slave branches. So in this context a "main" branch eliminates any negative historical connotations and has a more precise meaning. To me, this another case of "that's how its always been" and some people react very negatively towards sudden change.

Related to this conversation: years ago Nikon removed the terminology of Master and Slave in their flash units in favor of Commander and Remote.

https://petapixel.com/2020/07/08/nikon-says-it-stopped-using...

To the author: We have to start somewhere and it is a sign of progress (no matter how small) that finally there is some awareness around this issue and now something is being done about it

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#640
I've been surprised that there is a new generation of developers who never heard that master/slave is offensive/irritating to some people. I first ran into this in 1996 when I joined a team building a product that had replication. We changed all the uses of master/slave to supplier/consumer. I had just relocated from the UK, where (at least by my perceptions) race is less of a core societal issue. I remember asking what this was about, someone said there were people who didn't like the use of master and slave, I thought "ok that's interesting" and moved on to fixing bugs.

Fast forward more than 20 years and I find people complaining about github branch names. This seems odd because it's like whoever came up with the default branch name (Linus?) didn't receive the memo I got in 1996.

Anyway, I see this pattern every so often : something that offends group A, where group B is asking "what's the big deal?". I've seen it with dogs in the workplace, with "blackface" and with use of the "n-word", and on and on. To be honest it mystifies me (the "what's the big deal" part). Why not just take folks at their word? a) they say they're offended, b) whatever change they are asking for is minimal and low-cost, why not react with "I didn't know that, but ok no problem"?

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