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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by lone-commenter »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #234
lone-commenter wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My father for example always used Android. [...] > [H]e got an iPhone and he find it more difficult to use [...] I guess that's precisely because he is used to Android, not because iOS is more difficult.

Oh there are plenty of things that are way more difficult or impossible to do on iphone. An incomplete list: 1. Run a desktop window manager when connected to TV/monitor. 2. Share files using wifi direct or bluetooth. 3. Download torrents. 4. Switch between front and back cameras while recording a video. 5. Play fortnite. 6. Copy files to/from a flash drive. 7. Cast screen to TV. 8. Copy whatsapp chats from older pho…

> 6. Copy files to/from a flash drive.

It's possible (but yeah, it's been a problem for long).

Anyway:

> 4. Switch between front and back cameras while recording a video.

This is the only point that actually affects a typical user. The others are cherry-picked technological differences between the two platforms. They have nothing to do with usability, which is what people mean when they say iOS is simpler to use.

> 8. Copy whatsapp chats from older phone.

Yeah. If you kept the chats only locally (which you should).

> 5. Play fortnite.

Got me!

PS. I used Android for long and liked it. I just think iOS is somewhat nicer and safer to use for common people.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by adamcstephens »

imwillofficial wrote: post #80
adamcstephens wrote: post #24

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To use your analogy, there is only one road and it is a toll road. Maybe they are ok with a side road, but there is none. The only thing tired is extractive monopolies. Funnily enough, Apple could make a few small tweaks and not be in this category. They've chosen instead to double down on exerting their market power.

And? That’s how I want it. If you want viruses distributed by your App Store, go for it, Android is waiting for you. I want a tightly regulated relatively well run platform, not an open one. My phone is mission critical. There isn’t an open platform that can handle that responsibility, like say, Linux in the Cloud.

How would a secondary App Store affect you one bit? Don’t install it, problem solved.

On the other side, developers and users who do want it are harmed by the current policy.

Or do you not have self control? Like an alcoholic who is compelled to drive to the store and buy some alcohol?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by moistbar »

nemothekid wrote: post #190
syrrim wrote: post #109

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Are you aware of the concept of inheritance?

What cryptography are you using that is aware of the concept of inheritance?

There was no cryptography on the iPad. Why is everyone insisting this is GP's fault when it's clearly a massive middle finger on Apple's part?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by mhh__ »

vbezhenar wrote: post #48
bogwog wrote: post #29

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You're also leaving out that the VPN is just one part of the larger "Librem One" subscription package. It's something customers discover through Librem's marketing, buy from Librem on Librem's website not using Apple's payment/account systems, and not exclusive to Apple platforms in any way. Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can.

What about customers who have found an app in AppStore, wanted to try it out only to find that they need to go through external websites and stuff. Not kind of UX you expect from iPhone.

Maybe, but no matter how contrived there always seems to be an argument that Apple are the good guys. If they really want this because of UX they shouldn't charge so much money

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by mhh__ »

Google234 wrote: post #210
anfilt wrote: post #206

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Then dont do business with that developer/company. You cant force a seller/company to accept every form of payment or payment processor. Especially one that takes 30% cut, and says they cant sell their goods themself to people (aka sideload). Not only does such system seem insane for a normal payment processor. It also effects you the purchaser in multiple ways. Since to use this payment system you cant make the choi…

Yes you can. Try and sell a product at any store and demand they take a 0% cut

Well it actually costs the store money to sell a product, for one thing

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by mhh__ »

google234123 wrote: post #214
jasonjayr wrote: post #167

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I expect any device with general purpose computing capabilities to allow me to use those capabilities anyway I want. Especially I'm spending $1000 USD on the thing.

If you want completely general purpose computing capabilities then don't buy an Iphone. I don't expect my fridge to allow me to execute arbitrary code on it's ARM cpu.

Your fridge doesn't have an ARM CPU comparable to a desktop these days though does it?

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by mhh__ »

throwaway19937 wrote: post #197
Barrin92 wrote: post #87

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I'm always amazed that in the land of the brave and free butchering general purpose computing machines is supposed to be justified by the fact grandma doesn't install the wrong apps. Funny is this argument always exclusively pops up when it comes to Apple smartphones. Are we supposed to lock every desktop down too because mom and pop installed a wrong toolbar? It's like the reverse 'but think of the children', and pe…

> I'm always amazed that in the land of the brave and free butchering general purpose computing machines is supposed to be justified by the fact grandma doesn't install the wrong apps. If you want a low-quality platform with limited security updates, multiple app stores, and other debris then buy an Android. I chose an iPhone so I wouldn't have to deal with these issues.

And I have an Android and I guess we probably spend all our time in the same apps

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by mhh__ »

google234123 wrote: post #218
kmeisthax wrote: post #103

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Walled gardens are also legally enforced by police power of the state. Otherwise, Epic would just distribute their own jailbreaks and tell Fortnite users to jailbreak their phones. Furthermore, I find it really frustrating how my desire for the ability to go a little bit outside of certain walled gardens is construed as me demanding you go outside the walled garden at all times. 95% of the walled garden is perfectly…

Epic is free to distribute a jailbreak. Apple is also free to update their phone to cover that security vulnerability.

They're also probably free to get sued

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by moistbar »

google234123 wrote: post #219
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #53

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It was on the cell network, but it was purchased outright, not under contract. It does sound like the other commenter's theory that the SIM has "gone bad" may be true, but I had no idea this could happen, and I don't see how that makes it any more valid.

Have you removed the sim?

That shouldn't have an impact on whether OP can unlock his iPad, and if it does then the iPad and Apple as a whole needs to evaporate into obscurity ASAP.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by zepto »

lmm wrote: post #240
zepto wrote: post #26

I have been a vocal supporter of Librem, and Pine64 because I see the adoption of free devices running free software as a necessary solution and the way to ultimately change the dynamics in the industry. They are literally doing the thing I think is the solution. On the other hand, I oppose the generic bashing of Apple and Epic’s antitrust campaign, because these have nothing to do with creating an alternative. Indee…

A VPN is no use unless both ends of the system are using it. Should Apache block Safari from accessing websites hosted there? That doesn't seem like a good way to promote open-source.

> I oppose the generic bashing of Apple and Epic’s antitrust campaign, because these have nothing to do with creating an alternative. Indeed if Epic wins, iOS will become even more entrenched.

Supporting Epic’s anti-trust campaign has nothing to do with open source.

I think one of the most damaging things that could possibly happen to open source is that government starts to regulate how software is distributed.

This might damage Apple’s stock price and make a few more billions for Tim Sweeney, but it will make it much harder for an open free platform to succeed.

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