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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare

problem with this line is that those in power now in America aren't solving any of these issues. they engage in window dressing and have been doing so since at least Clinton. they are left-INO. What US considers center left actually is right. Unless a new progressive party is formed (AOC, Sanders etc) and this party manages then to become a serious contender and accepted in mainstream, US politics will remain what it is: a farce.

edit: Right Marcuseanism - Herbert Marcuse’s “Repressive Tolerance” is often cited as the progenitor of the censorious left, but its real ideological heirs are now on the right: https://outsidertheory.com/right-marcuseanism/ (I shared this yesterday and it's a shame it hasn't gotten more traction considering it goes much deeper into the problem than any (justified) rant on master/slave branches and Tech/github's hypocrisy)

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by pron »

prepend wrote: post #441
pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW It’s pretty hard to measure such a statement, but I noticed that Trump won 8% of the black vote in 2020 and 6% in 2016. [0] And it seems Romney won 6% in 2012. [1] It’s not smart to extrapolate some trend from these three data points, but I don’t think its accurate to dismiss claims that this isn’t happening. Comically, dismissing the claims of a literal black perso…

I am not dismissing any claims, but having a >90% party allegiance based on ethnicity is such an extreme situation, that ascribing reversions to one aspect of the left (which, true enough, the right wants to focus on), is just projection and also an exaggeration. I saw a recent interview with David Shor [1], who said that the conservative/progressive split in the US (based on self-identification, IIRC) is about 60/40 across all ethnicities, but that many vote based on reasons other than ideology. But now we're seeing a trend across the board, where people's votes increasingly align more with ideology. So many conservative blacks vote Democrat, and might be shifting away because of a general emphasis on ideology.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ8UDzUvMg0

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by dcolkitt »

pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW)

Wasn’t it black moderates that powered centrist Biden to the nomination? Bernie and Warren’s failure to gain any significant traction with the black electorate sunk their progressive candidacies.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by pjc50 »

prepend wrote: post #441
pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW It’s pretty hard to measure such a statement, but I noticed that Trump won 8% of the black vote in 2020 and 6% in 2016. [0] And it seems Romney won 6% in 2012. [1] It’s not smart to extrapolate some trend from these three data points, but I don’t think its accurate to dismiss claims that this isn’t happening. Comically, dismissing the claims of a literal black perso…

Surely the point is that if you cite one person, you can claim anything? Whether that's of the left or the right. You have to look a little closer to see whether that's a common or a fringe view and among what group of people.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by aspnet_dev »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #440
vmception wrote: post #47

I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…

"left" indeed -- I have been a pretty radical socialist since I was 16. (Well, at least on paper, I haven't been done activist work for years) ... And I don't recognize myself in this "left" that people keep talking about. I think it's hilarious to call CNN "left" or think that anybody in GitHub leadership is "left" for relabeling git branches. Plz. It's just a proposterous strange (and uniquely American) partitionin…

If you want to understand why Biden and Obama are called socialists, I suggest you do some reading of the Anarcho-Capitalist literature (Anatomy of the State is the most obvious) or maybe listen to someone like Peter Schiff.

I don't agree with their philosophy as I believe it to be unrealistic but their criticisms and descriptions of what the state is and isn't is valid and why some call it socialist may make more sense to you. Hans Herman Hoppe (I am sure someone will quote mine him to smear him after I've mentioned him and haven't read any of this books) even called Democracy a soft form of communism.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by hannofcart »

prepend wrote: post #441
pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW It’s pretty hard to measure such a statement, but I noticed that Trump won 8% of the black vote in 2020 and 6% in 2016. [0] And it seems Romney won 6% in 2012. [1] It’s not smart to extrapolate some trend from these three data points, but I don’t think its accurate to dismiss claims that this isn’t happening. Comically, dismissing the claims of a literal black perso…

I don't consider myself informed enough about this subject to detract from your assertions, but confining myself to the stats you presented, the trend of 6(2012), 6(2016) and 8(2020) seems to bolster the 'status quo' claim, that Black Americans are NOT leaving the left (Dems), rather than undermine it, does it not?

I could be missing something here for sure. Like I mentioned am not well versed in American race politics nor in statistics.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by pron »

dcolkitt wrote: post #453
pron wrote: post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

> but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) Wasn’t it black moderates that powered centrist Biden to the nomination? Bernie and Warren’s failure to gain any significant traction with the black electorate sunk their progressive candidacies.

But that's because many Democrats aren't all that progressive. Being progressive doesn't mean focusing on rhetoric. It mostly means certain views on the economy that many black Democrats disagree with at this time. Sanders in particular isn't considered all that "woke", and still primary voters shifted to Biden.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

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Post by varispeed »

xroche wrote: post #237

> “Meritocracy!”, I hear you cry. “They pick from the most talented students. The ones that worked the hardest to get into the most elite schools. The black students should have just worked harder” Crazy idea: if companies that do virtue signaling on inclusivity were paying their taxes, decent schools could be funded and we would not have so many of those issues. But instead, those companies are actively lobbying to…

It's always when government screams around elections that they will increase taxes for the rich, the middle class and small to medium business cry. I am yet to see the likes of Amazon, Facebook, Google pay their fair share. Meanwhile small and medium businesses have hard time to compete because of the increasing burden bestowed upon them. The big corporations work hard to gatekeep their wealth garden, so no outsider could ever join them. I will vote for any government that will promise to partition those companies, make them pay the tax they ought to pay had they not used accounting tricks and finally to ban selling personal data for advertising purposes.
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