Anyone else here whose script actually broke due to this change?
No, because it wasn't retroactive.
GitHub, fuck your name change
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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change
#272Though I initially sympathized with the name change from master to main (cause I don't care what it is called), I am now more of the opinion that this kind of window-dressing might actually be harmful as it distracts from addressing the root cause. It is a bit complicated as the name change in itself is not bad, but given the context, and that it distracts from addressing real issues it actually is. Same thing with p…
I think such a change generates awareness. A lot of problems linger in the tech sector I'm not really aware of. The write up of the article author sheds light again on biased recruitment in the tech sector. Something that appears to be a fundamental problem with the education sector in the US being broken.
But it is good awarness? The major awarness people get from this cases is not about actual problems, but about very questionable wording-problems and behaviour of certain people. Not sure whether this at the end not creates more hate&blind eyes than important awarness.
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#273I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…
Perhaps, in the spirit of sharing useful insight within these kinds of discussions, as a black American you could educate me about something?
For context, I am neither black nor American, I have little time for woke virtue-signalling and fake outrage, but I do want to be properly respectful of others whose background and sensitivities aren't necessarily like my own. With that in mind, I often find socially acceptable terminology around race confusing.
For example, take the word "color". I can understand why an umbrella term such as "colored people" could be problematic. However, if that is the case, I don't understand why "people of color" should be any more socially acceptable, nor why one of the most prominent advocacy groups still uses the former term in its name. There is so much unconstructive commentary about this particular example that it's hard to figure out what the relevant history and genuine sensitivities are here. Can you enlighten me?
Re: GitHub, fuck your name change
#274My suggestion is to replace master/slave with burgeois/proletariat, if the goal is to keep up with the times. (/s)
Re: GitHub, fuck your name change
#275Personally, I think the underlying issue is polarisation of opinion.
Polarisation produces frustration, fear, and anger. This in turn produces responses like GitHub's, intended to anticipate criticism, since the criticism trends inevitably towards fury. This is true on right and left and everywhere else. It's always been the case, just look at polemics aimed at Darwinians, suffragettes, Catholics, anti-slavers, whatever. The difference today is the sheer volume, the ease with which anyone can instantly reach a global audience. And of course the cash produced from all those comments and views and clicks.
It's still all bread and circuses, it's just been made ruthlessly efficient.
As has been pointed out by other comments, consensus is lacking. Who's asking the people who are actually affected? And who's doing that in a calm, productive, collaborative way? I'm sure it's happening somewhere but that content is hardly going to drive traffic.
Perhaps there could be a concerted, deliberate effort at helping all of us disengage from polarising media, and instead engage in meaningful conversation.
Re: GitHub, fuck your name change
#276I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…
Lol, as another black guy, even before opening the thread I knew I'd find one of these grovelling comments from a house-type here. I, at least, completely support GitHub's actions. Btw, we're not "walking away from the Left", as is indicated in the recent election results. You might be confusing your own people for Hispanics.
> Btw, we're not "walking away from the Left", as is indicated in the recent election results. You might be confusing your own people for Hispanics.
What do you mean? It looks like Trump got a higher percentage of black votes in 2020 than 2016. The change is larger than Hispanic votes even:
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#278This is a SJW's worst nightmare... being told they aren't needed/helping by a PoC. There are PoC on my team and they were asked about the master/main thing. None had an issue with 'master'. They were also sent on the same Diversity 'education' course as everyone else. Again, they found it dumb and patronising. One even got into an argument with the WASP presenter. It was quite funny to witness.
> This is a SJW's worst nightmare.
"SJW" here. This kind of stuff gets posted all the time. It's usually full of logical fallacies (and anecdotal evidence, like your comment) and slurped up by people who are looking to confirm their biases. Sometimes it's not even written truly by a PoC.
Re: GitHub, fuck your name change
#279I’m a black American and agree with everything that this person in London wrote. It is also a common criticism of the American “left”, and is entirely accurate. For everyone perplexed about black Americans and other people of color walking away from the left, its because you/they don't see us as equals that can be bothered by the exact same things that other Americans can be bothered by: being told what to think, wat…
Lol, as another black guy, even before opening the thread I knew I'd find one of these grovelling comments from a house-type here. I, at least, completely support GitHub's actions. Btw, we're not "walking away from the Left", as is indicated in the recent election results. You might be confusing your own people for Hispanics.
My response here might be poor (difficult subject, not a great writer), but I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.
"Microsoft stops selling software to American police departments" is a good response to BLM. "Microsoft changes 'master branch' to 'main branch'" is pointless deckchair-reshuffling that signifies nothing.
By applauding the change of a noun that has the most tangential possible relationship with slavery, aren't you letting them off the hook of doing anything substantive?
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#280I feel like this topic has been discussed a lot already, but I think it's important to keep pushing back against useless wasted man-hours like this effort is. I live in a country that was almost entirely enslaved by foreigners for ~700 years. I've discussed this rename with dozens of engineers in my country. Without exception, every single one of them thinks it's completely ridiculous. We need to keep voicing these t…
I agree that master->main is pretty pointless. But what about getting rid of "slave", "blacklist" and "whitelist". The last two kind of opened my eyes to connotation of black and white, that may be problematic to some. Also I find "allow/denylist" more descriptive, maybe that helps.
My own country has been occupied by foreign forces so hard that it stopped existing for 100 years. It nearly erased our culture and lots of people died. Should I now start telling people that using the word "occupied" in places like "occupied toilet" or "occupation" to mean employment is somehow offensive to me?
Or maybe should I realize that as a literate adult, I have the ability to understand context around the words that are used?