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Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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A few years ago, I got my grandmother an iPad. She used it for years until she passed. I just powered it on yesterday and it now "requires activation", which won't complete via WiFi. All the data on it, e.g. pictures, is now inaccessible. It is, effectively, bricked. I'll sooner eat a pile of shit before I ever touch or recommend another Apple product again. Edit: To clarify, it was never locked or password protected…

This sounds like it could be a bug. I ran into something similar on a device that auto-updated, but it was just confusing wording.

If the device never had a passcode/fingerprint/face id before you certainly don't need one to unlock it even if it has auto-updated.

It looks like the device auto-updated, so you should be able to complete the activation.

Now if you are talking about accessing iCloud, then you may need the iCloud password.

Apple should be able to help you fix the issue if you can't fix it yourself.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Wouldn't the spirit of librem here suggest the solution would just be to make and distribute an open VPN app on iOS and tell your librem one subscribers to install it and have an easy and secure method of downloading a file with your endpoints? Then there is no argument to be made that it's tied to a subscription because anyone could use it for their own or yours or anyone else's that supports it. PIA (and others I'm…

This way people get to choose whether to stick to a monopolistic eyecandy or get more control over their devices and life in general.

I wish more developers could afford to do that.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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post #41

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This seems to be where they explain it: "Even though Librem Tunnel is just part of the overall Librem One offering, because it’s part of a subscription service, Apple is requiring us to add the ability to sign up and pay for Librem One subscriptions within the Librem Tunnel app before they will allow updated versions into the App Store." However, what you show seems to contradict that? EDIT: If I were to guess, the f…

my company had the exact same problem. This is no automated process. We had to enable EITHER in-app free trials OR in-app purchases (or both). And you cant use stripe, paypal, amazon payments, google pay, or alipay in-app.... it MUST be apple pay.

Thanks for the clarification!

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Can somebody provide a direct answer to the question of why Apple’s App Store policies are bad? The argument that always comes up is that it is anti-competitive, but how does that not encroach on every business owner’s right to decide who they want to do business with, how they want to run their businesses, and how they design their platforms? Also, one of the examples that always comes up in these discussions is how…

Firefox and Chrome were able to dethrone IE because Windows doesn't have any gatekeeper preventing apps from being installed. Apple has the right to decide who they do business with, but app developers shouldn't be forced to do business with Apple at all. That's the asymmetric part of the relationship. App developers should be allowed to distribute/sell apps directly to people. Specifically, the expected outcome is e…

> Firefox and Chrome were able to dethrone IE because Windows doesn't have any gatekeeper preventing apps from being installed.

What’s preventing people from buying an Android, though?

This really is just a story of two businesses who can’t agree with the terms of engagement: Apple requires subscription-based services to use their payment system if the services want to be available in their platform, and Librem doesn’t want to share their profits. I’m struggling to see why Apple’s terms are unreasonable here. Any business that has an ecosystem of products isn’t and shouldn’t be legally required to support competing ecosystems/platforms—and Apple already does have Google’s and Facebook’s apps in the App Store, by the way.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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post #120

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Apple has a well known exception to the rule requiring an option to subscribe inside the app for “reader” apps, a vaguely defined which includes Netflix, Spotify, Dropbox, and seemingly whatever else is convenient to Apple. Apple did not lift this requirement for the Hey email app during the controversy over that last year. Instead, they reached a compromise where Hey would offer a free trial of their service inside…

I'd like to see them try to enforce that rule with banking apps...

Apple’s in-app purchase/subscription rules only apply to digital goods — not things like banks, Uber, food delivery, etc.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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there are absolutely controls you can turn on for macs that will do that. I have locked down employees computers because they couldn't be trusted.

I'm always curious about this attitude. Why did you employ them if you felt you couldn't trust them?

I think it's useful to distinguish between types of trust. You might trust a mill operator with $5 million worth of automated equipment that has a well-documented UI backed with years of training and industry support. However, you might not trust that same operator with unfettered control of a $2000 general-purpose networked computing device that can silently leak company secrets and offer a foothold to attackers inside your firewall _even if the operator does nothing obviously wrong_.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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post #175

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I expect any device with general purpose computing capabilities to allow me to use those capabilities anyway I want. Especially I'm spending $1000 USD on the thing.

What if the way you want is using the App Store's payment infrastructure?

Then that person can use the app store, and another person using their own iPhone could use some other method. Apple allowing users a choice wouldn't prevent them from choosing the App Store.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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post #159

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Arguing these fine points is a waste of time because I feel like people defending this are missing the complete insanity of this situation. Try a different perspective: Let's say Apple wants to sell their devices at "Billy's Electronics", which is a tiny kiosk at a mall with minimal foot traffic. Billy tells Apple that he'll only sell Apple devices at his kiosk if Apple agrees to give him 30% of all revenues Apple ma…

> 15% is still too much as long as there are no alternatives 1. Most of the apps in the App Store are games. What are the alternative app stores for other handheld gaming systems like the Nintendo Switch and 3DS? 2. I supposed it's a shame that there are no alternatives to iOS/iPhone besides Android which has an 85% market share. 3. https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/10/07/report-steams-30-cut... (updated Jan. 2021.)

Just because Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft are doing the same bad thing Apple is doing doesn't mean it's not a bad thing. Personally, I think game consoles should fall under the same type of scrutiny, but that's a different situation because, historically, game consoles have not been seen as general purpose computing devices. See for example the stupid DMCA jailbreaking rules that allow customers to jailbreak their phones, but not their game consoles. Why? Idk, I'm not a lawyer, but it probably has to do with lobbying.

Android's 85% market share is global, and a lot of those are low budget garbage which makes them less important for a lot of industries (particularly gaming). In the US, Android's market share is more like 50%, and while I obviously can't speak for every developer, I at least consider the US market to be my primary focus. Doing significant business in another country is more complicated than just localizing strings and clicking a checkbox on the developer console (unless your business is relatively simple, like a utility or a game)

And while Android does allow third-party stores to exist, they're at a significant disadvantage competitively. It is practically impossible for any store to compete against Google play with the current systems and barriers Google put in place (as proven by companies that have attempted it over the years). That is also clear "anti-competitive behavior". From the point-of-view of users, the situation is better. But from the perspective of developers, it's the same bullshit. You are not going to escape Google on Android and hope to have a successful business, unless maybe you can manufacture and sell your own hardware.

And regarding Steam, I too think that 30% is too much (especially because Valve are not entirely innocent of anti-competitive practices themselves). However, it's not the same situation because there currently are many realistic alternatives to Steam, both for gamers and for developers. The same can't be said about Android or iOS.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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> On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple No it’s not. It’s impossible if you don’t want to require your customers to change some security settings. We can have a discussion about whether that’s practical for a developer, but either way, the user has control over their Mac. Completely different situation from iOS.

> the user has control over their Mac. for now, because observing the current trends, they'll likely won't for much longer... all for the sake of safety and convenience.

People have been saying the same thing since the Mac App store came out. And yet, here we are in exactly the same position.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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post #109

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"Apple won't let me to break into an iPad I don't own" isn't as bad as you are trying to make it seem. In other words, why are you surprised that you can't hack into an Apple device?

Are you aware of the concept of inheritance?

What cryptography are you using that is aware of the concept of inheritance?
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