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Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by yagizdegirmenci »

botswana99 wrote: post #78
systemvoltage wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Open source tools were developed by the community and they're being harrassed now for monetization. How is that being hateful? I am looking out for the community in this sense.

They are not developed by a 'community'. The developers who build it are paid for by investors. Those investors want a huge return. It's not open source, it's bait and wait

Exactly, when you take a look at the mainstream "open-source" projects, you 'll see that those projects are all developed and maintained by some people who gets paid to do that. (e.g. Kubernetes, Firecracker, Gvisor, Bottlerocket, Podman)

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

systemvoltage wrote: post #42
paxys wrote: post #27

Considering how entrenched Docker has been in global tech infrastructure for so many years, I automatically assumed that the company was worth billions already, but guess not. I wonder why they haven't been bought out by Microsoft or Google, if nothing else then just for the talent.

It is obvious. This is a common pattern: 1. Offer open-source 100% free product that's absolutely ground breaking, unlike anything else. 2. Get a shitload of users and free PR machine gets rolling. Network effects kick in. 3. Go to investors with your active user count in excess of millions. 4. Investors go bonkers and their eyes swell up with all the ways they can exploit these addicted-to-free user base. 5. Company…

> absolutely ground breaking, unlike anything else

Containers existed for decades as a concept and for years on Linux (using lxc or VirtSquare and later nspawn)

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by Hexcles »

tw04 wrote: post #128
swyx wrote: post #122

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i'm not up on my political references; what does "pull an Andrew Yang" mean?

It has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Microsoft offered to acquire Yahoo for $44.6 billion dollars in 2008 [1]. Jerry* Yang turned them down claiming the offer "substantially undervalued" the company. 8 years later they sold to Verizon for $5 billion [2]. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/yahoo-rejects-microsofts-bid/ [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2016/07/25/yahoo-s... *I incorrectly said Andrew…

I think that's Jerry Yang.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by random5634 »

hinkley wrote: post #74
neon_electro wrote: post #45

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"govt" didn't develop the specific cookie banner implementation Docker is using.

Malicious compliance.

Google is facing a 5B lawsuit over incongnito mode. The fact that someone goes overboard with this crap is not unreasonable.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by IceWreck »

devmor wrote: post #35
jrm4 wrote: post #29

Can't help but see this as bad for everything; to me it feels like if "curl" or "ssh" raises $23M. I would love for these people who work on these great tools to make lots of money, but what this means is that "now Docker has to figure out how to squeeze money out of this particular (admittedly good) tool in the chain" -- and the tool usually suffers.

Yeah, this is abjectly terrifying to me. A signal that I need to begin looking at alternatives to Docker.

Docker popularized containers, but it does nothing special. Podman is the closest alternative, but a lot of engines can run images from any oci registry like docker hub.

Other engines you might wanna look at: rkt, lxc with an oci template, etc.

Kubernetes with cri-o runs oci containers as well.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by xahrepap »

LeSaucy wrote: post #106
dpkrjb wrote: post #81

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I’d imagine that some of their valuation was based on the future success of docker swarm and what they would monetise around it

Was there ever a technical reason why swarm never won out in the market? I've still got a couple of multi-node swarms that work great and are WAY easier to configure than k8s. I never really understood why it didn't take off.

I'm really sad that Swarm didn't take off.

I used it extensively at a job for deploying production replicas for developers and full-integration testing (the plan was to eventually deploy prod the same way). It was SO nice to use. If you could use docker-compose, then docker-swarm was a natural next step.

I can't remember the details (it's been a few years), but the biggest hangup I had was the default network "mesh" wasn't stable. But I was able to work around that by using a different implementation (i think it was the network mesh that came out of k8s at the time. Used etcd).

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by mst »

KronisLV wrote: post #116
LeSaucy wrote: post #106

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Was there ever a technical reason why swarm never won out in the market? I've still got a couple of multi-node swarms that work great and are WAY easier to configure than k8s. I never really understood why it didn't take off.

I'd also like to know more about this, since for smaller to medium sized deployments (think 1-100 nodes, maybe running between 1-1000 containers) Docker Swarm does seem like a pretty reasonable solution, especially with tools like Portainer ( https://www.portainer.io/ ) for a web based UI to manage it. I guess some of the reasons for the popularity of Kubernetes could be: - Kubernetes had Google as a big name behind…

> the popularity that Docker gained seems to highlight that perhaps something was missing from those older technologies.

I would put money on it being the Dockerfile and the developer UX around that.

I don't honestly find it any more slick to use than e.g. FreeBSD jails, but I've lived in unix for long enough that that's because I was re-using lots of knowledge I already had.

There's a comparison here to the fact that I'm perfectly comfortable writing SysV rc scripts (though BSD rc scripts are vastly more pleasant to put together) but I've watched enough people struggle their way to something that only mostly worked that I can see why for many people writing a systemd unit file instead is a vast improvement.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by pjmlp »

justicezyx wrote: post #118
pjmlp wrote: post #111

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I was already doing containers with HP-UX Vaults in version 11 back in 1999. Just like any tool that doesn't offer more than an abstraction layer over OS features, eventually it becomes irrelevant as OS tooling improves.

From [1] > This is a Virtual Vault release of HP-UX, providing enhanced security features. Virtual Vault is a compartmentalised operating system in which each file is assigned a compartment and processes only have access to files in the appropriate compartment and unlike most other UNIX systems the superuser (or root) does not have complete access to the system without following correct procedures. It's cgroup + chro…

You forgot to look up what happened since 1999, like Virtual Vault having been replaced by proper containers on HP-UX,

https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en...

And Tru64, Solaris, BSD also had similar capabilities on the UNIX linage, and naturally IBM and Unisys also had their own versions of the theme on their platforms.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by crb002 »

filleokus wrote: post #76

It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…

To be relevant they need to fork Google Test and add cgroup eBPF expectation tests. Run integration tests with thousands of mini-instances that no-op the network stack.

Also start making pull requests for a Kubernetes killing feature in the Linux kernel - distributed cgroups and ulimits.

Re: Docker Raises $23M

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Post by caymanjim »

filleokus wrote: post #76

It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…

Kubernetes is so much more than most people should want or need. It's far too complicated and heavyweight for smaller or simpler deployments. In AWS, most people should use ECS/Fargate instead. There are other competing container environments as well. Your point still stands; Docker popularized containerization and are in danger of becoming irrelevant because they ceded the container execution environment to others.
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