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Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Seems hard to make the argument to make that browsing history is harmless, given how often it is used in police investigations and court cases.

All any investigation on me would find is I can't for the life of me remember the order of in_array and google it way more often than I should.

If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. (Cardinal Richelieu)

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Half the data Chrome collects is harmless If true, that still doesn't negate the other half that is not harmless. More importantly, how about I get to choose what I consider harmless, rather than having a Silicon Valley advertising agency do that for me? Also, there's no way of knowing what Google shoves into the "other" category. Sunlight disinfects, even in Mountain View.

Fair enough. But beware, Chrome's lead on render speed is most likely thanks to the performance data they collect. Any other browser you may choose might not collect that data, but don't be surprised if it halves your battery life and takes twice the time to render stuff (such as Firefox in macOS about 6 months ago, don't know how it performs now). There are reasons for data collection, and I don't think everything i…

Incredible that performance analysis for benefiting consumers is being linked to advertising and behavioral analysis for making profits.

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Fair enough. But beware, Chrome's lead on render speed is most likely thanks to the performance data they collect. Any other browser you may choose might not collect that data, but don't be surprised if it halves your battery life and takes twice the time to render stuff (such as Firefox in macOS about 6 months ago, don't know how it performs now). There are reasons for data collection, and I don't think everything i…

>There are reasons for data collection, and I don't think everything is used for malitious intent, which is DDG's point. That is not DDG's point at all. Their point is right in the linked tweet - "Spying on users has nothing to do with building a great web browser or search engine."

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Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Half the data Chrome collects is harmless Until it's not. Meaning, we don't know if there's a way yet to harm users, or we don't know if anyone is actually using it to harm users. If it's harmless, don't collect it.

Chrome's the fastest browser on the market. That, along with some nice marketing strategy is what makes it the absolute market leader. The reason Chrome is so fast, is most likely thanks to the performance (harmless) data it collects. Firefox may be proud of not collecting as much data, but (at least on macOS) they spend twice the battery to render twice as slow. Not saying you shouldn't be able to choose what data y…

Please... 90% of users don't even know what web browser they are using. I can't count the number of times I've gone to someone's house to fix their computer, and they don't know what Internet Explorer or Chrome is. They just know what icon to click to get to the internet.

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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I'd love to see some data to back your point. Is browsing history being used as evidence in criminal prosecution? Where? How?

This is very common knowledge. https://www.courtlistener.com/?q=%22Browser%20history%22&typ...

This is really interesting, thank you.

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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There is a a lot of talk here about "Trust", that's somethings I cannot attribute to Brave. I am sorry.

What is the reaon?

What's the business model again? How are they making money?

"If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold"

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Seems hard to make the argument to make that browsing history is harmless, given how often it is used in police investigations and court cases.

All any investigation on me would find is I can't for the life of me remember the order of in_array and google it way more often than I should.

Consider the UK is right now [0], as we speak, passing a bill that forces an ISP to hand over browsing data, without a warrant, to non-law enforcement agencies (a list of which is in the source below). Agencies like the DWP (who handle unemployment, and have been subject to much criticism on how they make decisions and handle clients) will have warrantless access to browsing data for specific people.

A little far fetched, but if you're employed by one of those agencies, your boss (or bosses boss etc) can access _your_ data, find out how often you're googling basic information and use that information against you.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26430266

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Performance problems on macOS/Linux, Firefox seems fine on Windows but that's where I spend the least of my time.

I've been using firefox for years and I have no idea what these performance problems are.

Same here. I don't get the complaints. I use it regularly on macOS, iOS, Linux and used to run it on Windows every day...

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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This is kind of deceptive. Approving location data to be saved or used during a web search is not the same thing as approving location data to be used for advertising and product personalization. Same with contact information, same with browser history, same with search history and unique IDs. Also, none of that data is harmless. > I think DDG is exaggerating here Google shouldn't be basing advertising off of individ…

It turns out, solving the problem of being an assistant device approaches the "AI complete" boundary, and the set of data interconnections needed approaches "arbitrary." Hence, the interpretation that the data should be usable as Google sees fit.

> It turns out, solving the problem of being an assistant device approaches the "AI complete" boundary, and the set of data interconnections needed approaches "arbitrary."

Wait, why do you say that? There's nothing inherent to the way that assistants work that mean that they need full access to everything in my life.

Human beings are "AI complete", but when I go to the library and ask them to help me find a book, they don't demand that I show them my phone contacts first. Data access and intelligence are separate concepts.

And Google's voice assistant could figure out what phone number I mean when I say "call mom" without doing anything involving AI at all, because I actually explicitly put that information into my address book in machine-readable, labeled fields. The assistant doesn't need to have an advanced AI to solve that problem, and it certainly doesn't need to look at my search history.

Re: Google finally revealed how much personal data they collect in Chrome

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Is there more context for this? I'm seeing an infographic sourced to "Apple App Store as of March 2021," but I don't own an iPhone so I don't know where this information comes from. Are these boxes permissions declared by the app, data collection as detected by some heuristic at Apple, or what?

> Are these boxes permissions declared by the app

Pretty much. My understanding is that they're self-reported (as opposed to inferred from eg SDK/API usage), but I haven't looked into it super deeply.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600998/apples-privacy...

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