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Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by incongruity »

If I understand correctly, Apple would only get 30% of the in-app subscriptions but not those from outside the app?

If so, I think there are likely multiple motivations here. Apple has long been willing to force certain standardizations in the name of simple and uniform user experiences (they’re not perfect but the intent is clearly there). Having to drop out of an app experience to do something isn’t good UX - so enforcing the option to do it in app makes for a simpler experience - as much as it also adds to Apple’s bottom line. To be honest, the issue seems more to be just how big of a cut they want to take - but that’s even harder to fight against (capitalism and all) so this is the easier target.

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Post by akmarinov »

protomyth wrote: post #6

Apple is requiring us to add the ability to sign up and pay for Librem One subscriptions within the Librem Tunnel app before they will allow updated versions into the App Store. This the basically the summation of it all. Doesn't Apple require the ability to have anonymous logins too when creating accounts on iDevices?

It sucks, they don't require it of Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, Disney, etc

What Librem are doing is the right thing though - go to the press, raise a big stink and Apple will back off. It's been proven to work time and time again.

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Post by adamcstephens »

imwillofficial wrote: post #3

This article is tired excuses dressed up as freedom. They want to travel the road but not pay the toll.

To use your analogy, there is only one road and it is a toll road. Maybe they are ok with a side road, but there is none.

The only thing tired is extractive monopolies. Funnily enough, Apple could make a few small tweaks and not be in this category. They've chosen instead to double down on exerting their market power.

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Post by jsperson »

pojntfx wrote: post #5

It is still absolutely fascinating to me how we have arrived at a point where in order to use one's own device properly, one has to ask a US company nicely or be unable to do so - and people pay money for it. On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple. 30% of the world's population would, if their government cut a deal with Apple, be unable to install…

On the other hand, I spend 0% of my time managing iOS devices for my parents and am constantly bombarded with issues from my in-laws with Android phones. I agree that some of Apple's behavior is monopolistic and has some unfortunate, possibly unforeseen consequences, but the end result is pretty nice for the consumers who are willing to accept the compromise.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by zepto »

I have been a vocal supporter of Librem, and Pine64 because I see the adoption of free devices running free software as a necessary solution and the way to ultimately change the dynamics in the industry.

They are literally doing the thing I think is the solution.

On the other hand, I oppose the generic bashing of Apple and Epic’s antitrust campaign, because these have nothing to do with creating an alternative. Indeed if Epic wins, iOS will become even more entrenched.

So, I can no longer recommend librem, and will only recommend Pine.

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Post by Semaphor »

Sidenote, but their font has a really horrible "3". I was reading and wondering why Epic needs to pay 80 % toll instead of 30 %. Even after realizing it’s a 3 I’d always see an 8 at first.

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Post by spijdar »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #17
lyptt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI you don’t need WiFi to activate. You can activate via iTunes / macOS if you plug it in.

I don't have either of those. From previous experiences, it's my understanding that activation means resetting and erasing it.

In this case it seems like it has already been reset, or performed some kind of major OS update, which seems unlikely.

In lieu of itunes or mac, you could also take it to an apple store I believe.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by bogwog »

protomyth wrote: post #6

Apple is requiring us to add the ability to sign up and pay for Librem One subscriptions within the Librem Tunnel app before they will allow updated versions into the App Store. This the basically the summation of it all. Doesn't Apple require the ability to have anonymous logins too when creating accounts on iDevices?

You're also leaving out that the VPN is just one part of the larger "Librem One" subscription package. It's something customers discover through Librem's marketing, buy from Librem on Librem's website not using Apple's payment/account systems, and not exclusive to Apple platforms in any way.

Yet Apple is forcing them to give up 30% of their revenue, because they can.

Re: Librem Tunnel Is Leaving iOS

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Post by LeoPanthera »

pojntfx wrote: post #5

It is still absolutely fascinating to me how we have arrived at a point where in order to use one's own device properly, one has to ask a US company nicely or be unable to do so - and people pay money for it. On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple. 30% of the world's population would, if their government cut a deal with Apple, be unable to install…

> On macOS, it is now impossible to distribute a VPN or a virtualization software without permission from Apple.

Citation needed? I don't believe this is true. Tunnelblick and qemu both exist on macOS independently of Apple's approval.

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