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Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

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Gmail. Using web-based email clients was a nightmare before Gmail. They had limited storage space, and the UX was pretty bad, they were hard to search, etc. You spent all your time figuring out what you wanted to delete, or seeing your emails bounce when people had full inboxes. If you didn't log in for a while, your account would disappear. And then suddenly, you got a GB of storage. For free. No questions asked. An…

Was Gmail really 10x better than Hotmail?

In terms of mailbox space, it was 500x Hotmail. Before Gmail you had to delete your old emails because if your mailbox was full it would stop receiving. The whole approach of "archive" and being able to search your entire email history from any computer in a webmail interface came from Google.

There was POP3 before this of course, to keep all your mail locally and empty out the server box. But that only works if you have a single computer that you check mail from. Even back in 2004 when Gmail launched that was a non-starter for me, I had email at home and at school.

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

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Yes, the thing in iOS that automatically clips SMS verification codes sent to you. It saves me from going to my messages and finding the code.

Sorry, but that one is 4x at best.

Maybe if you're only counting brain cycles saved, but brain cycles of pure joy and amazement are worth more than ones spent doing pointless tasks.

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#83

Gmail. Using web-based email clients was a nightmare before Gmail. They had limited storage space, and the UX was pretty bad, they were hard to search, etc. You spent all your time figuring out what you wanted to delete, or seeing your emails bounce when people had full inboxes. If you didn't log in for a while, your account would disappear. And then suddenly, you got a GB of storage. For free. No questions asked. An…

>And then suddenly, you got a GB of storage. For free. No questions asked. And its UI was simple and easy-to-use. And you could search it.

Also don't forget that Gmail at the time had the most intelligent spam blocking algorithm compared to AOL/Yahoo/Hotmail/etc.

It was a big enough deal that some observers that switched to Gmail considered the email spam problem as "solved" because Gmail seemed so good at it. (On the other hand, many independent people trying to run their own SMTP servers think that Gmail is too aggressive with spam filtering because it also blocks many legitimate senders with low/unknown reputation.)

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#84
The availability of the "mpris" dbus interface[1] for controlling media players. I've used joysticks, & midi mixers, & command line tools, & my phone to control whatever media player is playing. I can keep an "audioscrobbler" program running that will record whatever I'm playing on whatever app I'm using, without needing to configure each app.

It's so nice being able to have programs that extend programs. Rather than needing to build a big robust program with all the features built in, I can have tools that access & enhance whatever other program is running. This is such a better model for software, so much more creative & extensible, & having this modular software environment for media playing has absolutely has been a 10x experience over monolithic applications.

[1] https://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#85
I was frankly shocked at some of the things mentioned here. Instagram? Wix.com? Uber? Discord? Seriously?

BUT that got me thinking: Could it be that a large portion of the 10x improvement could be in marketing, i.e. you'll have to be able to market your product as "10 times as good", regardless of whether or not it actually is?

AND secondly, could it be that many if not most products that are marketed as 10x as good are also - at the same time - 10x worse?

Just picking random examples from the thread:

- Gmail: Definitely 5-10 times better than Outlook Express or Horde. But also at least 10x worse when it comes to support, privacy, flexibility, agency in regard to your own data and server configuration and many other areas.

- Siri/Alexa: Speech recognition and what you can do with it is easily 10x better than what existed before. However, again at least 10x worse in terms of what you can control about the underlying technology and hardware and in terms of (controlling) what happens with the recordings of your voice. Also, if you want to go so far (someone mentioned dictation, more generally) you could also include lost jobs (e.g. secretarial jobs/assistants). Not convinced so much myself by this argument though.

- AWS Workspace: That might be somewhat more cost-effective and easier to set-up than a local VDI infrastructure. But in many ways it is, or can be, 10x or infinitely worse than having your own server.

- Wix.com: 10x easier to use than Notepad++ for web development (if you don't know what you're doing) but arguably at least 10x worse for good websites, web developers and designers, people locked into subscription payments, limits on flexibility etc.

Other "great innovators", like Reddit (severely optimised towards monetisation, data extraction and advertising over the last years), Uber (questionable employment practices and corporate culture), even Google making memorisation unnecessary (everything's just a click away... but what happens if the internet is down?) and Amazon ("killing local businesses since 1994" ;-)) also could be argued to come with severe downsides.

Personally, I would greatly appreciate much more widespread 2x innovation vs. chasing the rare unicorn 10x innovators.

70 MBit/s internet would be much nicer than the 35 I can get right now. I don't need (nor would be willing to pay for) 350, let alone if the 350 are only available in large cities. If Gmail was just one tenth as innovative in parsing my mails for data nuggets and instead cared ten times more about my privacy, I would be more than okay with that.

Personally, real 10x innovations without large apparent downsides (although there might be some) for me right now are Wikipedia and Starlink. I also want to mention Delphi, whose approach to programming and UI design was at some point definitely a 10x innovation over existing solutions at the time (in many ways it still can be 2x as good even today, but unfortunately, they've also increased the price 10x and stopped caring for their users).

On a grander scale, a well-working and ethical interplanetary species/society might also be a 10x improvement over being confined to Earth only. But that might very well turn out to be incorrect.

As always, if you disagree, please DON'T downvote, instead reply and tell me why and how you Think Different™. I post here because I'm curious to discuss, not just to share and read isolated opinions.

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#86

Gmail. Using web-based email clients was a nightmare before Gmail. They had limited storage space, and the UX was pretty bad, they were hard to search, etc. You spent all your time figuring out what you wanted to delete, or seeing your emails bounce when people had full inboxes. If you didn't log in for a while, your account would disappear. And then suddenly, you got a GB of storage. For free. No questions asked. An…

Agreed. Too bad it seems that email's best days are over now, as email nowadays is mostly for notifications.

>Too bad it seems that email's best days are over now, as email nowadays is mostly for notifications.

Email is still heavily used for business-to-business communication between humans. Talking about business matters is still more natural via email until the participants know each other well enough to switch to texting.

But yes, for personal communication, friends & family have shifted from email to phone texts. E.g. my friend who graduated from college in 1990s used to communicate with his parents with 100% email but now it's 100% text messaging. Email is too much friction for personal comms.

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#88
So many good comments

for me its a lot of what others said +

- Python as the default for scripting/automation: instead of using bash/batch/autohotkey/ if you need to use some popular API it saved you time with it's huge number of packages. so many good built ins. it's dynamic enough to be comfortable but not insane like JS. So good.

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#89
post #3

Yes, the thing in iOS that automatically clips SMS verification codes sent to you. It saves me from going to my messages and finding the code.

It was both magical and instantly obvious, the best kind of change.

Re: Ask HN: What are some “10x” software product innovations you have experienced?

#90
For web development, error monitoring services like Sentry are a breath of fresh air: instantly find the exact lines of code that are causing problems, even in front end code, before anyone files a bug report.

Any tool that automatically captures a lot of data needs to be used with care (eg verifying that no sensitive data is sent to the server), but many tools in this space make an effort to scrub the most common fields. In practice, the payoff has been worth it most of the time.

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