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TikTok wants to keep tracking iPhone users with state-backed workaround

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Re: TikTok wants to keep tracking iPhone users with state-backed workaround

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Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China. Or does it not apply when it inconvenience you?

> Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China. This isn't possible to follow on the individual level, even if you wanted to. Those 'Made in America' labels on product boxes aren't even accurate either, the parts can be built in China but assembled here, and still have that american label attached.

I think that was his point.

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Have you missed the last decade where companies from all around the globe do this exact thing all the time because gathering your information is their business? Google and Facebook get caught doing it constantly. Just this week a lawsuit against Google was given the green light for gathering data when they were not supposed to. And isn't Facebook currently trying to illegally merge WhatsApp and Facebook data? Didn't…

While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

Do you have any metrics or other proof to verify this statement?

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I am concerned about the claims that Apple will turn a blind eye to this, I hope it does not get wide usage. On a side note... it is stories like this that really make me hate being in the tech industry (yes I know that is a very large net to cast) sometimes.

I sympathize with that sentiment. One of the few things I can tell myself is my role isn't involved in this side of things. The only thing that has helped from getting totally disillusioned is having hobbies that are not tech related.

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Well, having serious support in China (including from the CCCP) is one way. Epic wouldn’t matter here since China is an extremely important market for Apple.

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I will repost a comment I made about Apple and China in another post like 1.5 years ago: "Apple are beholden to China. Sure, China is a huge market for them but I think the bigger issue is manufacturing: if they piss China off they won’t have anything to sell, anywhere! I’m sure Apple execs know this and I hope they’re quickly planning to reduce, if not remove this dependency."

And how has that planning been going in those 18 months?

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Get. Out. of. china. Or be ruled by the authoritarianism of the CCP

Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China. Or does it not apply when it inconvenience you?

Stop. Buying. Stuff. Made. In. China.

Easy to say when you're bloviating on the internet. Hard to do in real life. I know, because I try.

I end up buying a good amount of vintage stuff to keep from supporting China. But there are a lot of things that aren't available at any price where I live that aren't made in China.

I went through this a couple of years ago looking for a toaster. The only non-Chinese option available where I live was $900.

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While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

Do you have any metrics or other proof to verify this statement?

Does pretty much every major newspaper around the world count?

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As much as I like Apple products, it looks like the privacy buck stops at China.

The western world needs to desperately work on making their supply chains independent of the CCP, lest they'd like their supply chains to be poisoned at some point in the future.

I'm a big fan of Purism and everything that they are doing. I hope their software and hardware matures with the same level of polish we've come to know and expect from Apple products, and will be an early investor if they ever decide to IPO.

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"Three people with knowledge of briefings between Apple and developers also said the Cupertino, California-based company would be wary of taking strong action, despite a clear violation of its stated rules, if CAID has the support of China’s tech giants as well as its government agencies." That's chilling. I tend to have a good opinion of Apple regarding privacy protection, even though I'm not an Apple user, but if e…

> I tend to have a good opinion of Apple regarding privacy protection.

From my understanding:

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

If you are in mainland china, a state owned telco owns the keys and the data stored in iCloud, so you really don't have any privacy with Apple if you are in China. It more or less ruins my opinion of Apple's stance of privacy.

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While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

That's according to "I know China evil" or is this based on anything? We know that China was playing catch-up when Snowden leaked his stuff so they might have caught up. Can you link the corresponding leaks? I'd love to read some of the Chinese ones because the most recent big things I could find were Snowden leaks.

Playing the Snowden card doesn't invalidate what China is doing.

What the U.S. was doing was bad. What China is doing is also bad. They can both be bad.

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