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The proposed Singapore protest is illegal in Singapore (protests are limited to Hong Lim park with permission from government). I hope people participating realize this and don't get arrested.

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#4
This point is illegal in Norway, because you can’t make noise without applying for it first: “At the action:

DO make noise. We are musicians after all.”

Recommending people to do something illegal is also illegal, so it seems that the creators of this webpage is already breaking Norwegian law.

And Tordenskioldsgate 2 in Oslo/Norway is just a coworking space, so you only find employees from Spotify there a couple of times a year on events or meetings.

Re: Justice at Spotify

#6
As a creator, relying on these platforms is problematic because they are the #1 target for Government taxation. Depending on the country, 20% of customer spend is swallowed up immediately by sales taxes. Another 30% is potentially swallowed up by Google and Apple.

The solution is really to go direct-to-consumer, through things like Crowdfunding (unfortunately Patreon now charges VAT). Though of course this adds a lot of overhead.

Alternatively, petition Governments to be leaner, and to increase retirement ages to 70 (pensions are the single major and fastest increasing Government expense), and to lower taxes (including sales taxes) with the savings.

Pressure on Google and Apple (via regulation) to reduce commissions is another avenue.

Re: Justice at Spotify

#7
#abolishcopyright. Musicians if you’re listening, find a different way to earn a living than depending upon the enslavement of ideas (and by extension, individuals). Copyright is abhorrent, and needs to go. There are better ways.

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As a creator, relying on these platforms is problematic because they are the #1 target for Government taxation. Depending on the country, 20% of customer spend is swallowed up immediately by sales taxes. Another 30% is potentially swallowed up by Google and Apple. The solution is really to go direct-to-consumer, through things like Crowdfunding (unfortunately Patreon now charges VAT). Though of course this adds a lot…

is that really the problem here??? i would think spotify uses its market dominance to drive down what they give back to the artists. also, evading tax is not a good idea. it's there for a reason.

Re: Justice at Spotify

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The ask is 1p/stream. I'm not sure that that's actually sustainable without a massive rise in spotify prices, given the proportion of free users and even paid users that listen to more than 1000 tracks a month. If spotify raises prices, consumers go back to piracy. I'm not sure this will have the effect they want.

Let's imagine a radio station. Something medium sized, about a million listeners. They play a track. Are they paying 10,000 per play, which would be the equivalent rate? I suspect not.

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