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The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by christophilus »

_wldu wrote: post #20
cm2187 wrote: post #8

Another argument against the "going dark" claim is that before smartphones and the internet, the only conversations the FBI could monitor was through phonelines and mail. These were known to be easily monitored and I doubt there was much more criminal activity happening through those then than now. I would argue that the conversations that have gone online are the interactions that were previously happening in-person…

15 years ago, if I had said that society would build a tracking system and that most people would happily carry a tracker in their pocket and pay monthly fees to support the tracking networks, I would have been laughed out of the room. But that is what happened, and most people are oblivious to this fact.

I watched Citizen of the State recently, and the paranoid old man in that movie looks like a normie today.

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by gibspaulding »

scruffyherder wrote: post #28
cies wrote: post #3

I dont understand why the US people still trust these agencies. FBI, CIA, NSA have all shown to act against the democracy in many cases. If they could be trusted, they could be trusted with a backdoor. Since they cannot be trusted, the backdoor only makes them a more dangerous enemy of the people.

I voted with my feet. Life outside the five eyes has been... interesting

I would love to hear more about this. Have you written about the process anywhere? Would you be comfortable saying where you moved?

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by bzzzt »

_wldu wrote: post #20
cm2187 wrote: post #8

Another argument against the "going dark" claim is that before smartphones and the internet, the only conversations the FBI could monitor was through phonelines and mail. These were known to be easily monitored and I doubt there was much more criminal activity happening through those then than now. I would argue that the conversations that have gone online are the interactions that were previously happening in-person…

15 years ago, if I had said that society would build a tracking system and that most people would happily carry a tracker in their pocket and pay monthly fees to support the tracking networks, I would have been laughed out of the room. But that is what happened, and most people are oblivious to this fact.

I don't know if people are oblivious - it's just that there are a lot of perceived benefits for the user of the 'tracking device'. Tracking people is a byproduct of all the services a modern phone offers (due to technical or monetization reasons).

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by fishmaster »

scruffyherder wrote: post #27
cm2187 wrote: post #8

Another argument against the "going dark" claim is that before smartphones and the internet, the only conversations the FBI could monitor was through phonelines and mail. These were known to be easily monitored and I doubt there was much more criminal activity happening through those then than now. I would argue that the conversations that have gone online are the interactions that were previously happening in-person…

I’ll take 15kg of pastrami for the Miami delivery. I’m getting a pushback on the new price on Genoa but Eddie tells me he knows he can smooth it over. The dates however are spoiled,it’s going to need a total clean. I am the walrus.

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Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by yownie »

cies wrote: post #3

I dont understand why the US people still trust these agencies. FBI, CIA, NSA have all shown to act against the democracy in many cases. If they could be trusted, they could be trusted with a backdoor. Since they cannot be trusted, the backdoor only makes them a more dangerous enemy of the people.

All governments (potentially) being (the deadliest) enemies of the general public used to be generally understood in all democratic circles. Most people seem to have forgotten, and/or don't read their histories.

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by fsflover »

_wldu wrote: post #20
cm2187 wrote: post #8

Another argument against the "going dark" claim is that before smartphones and the internet, the only conversations the FBI could monitor was through phonelines and mail. These were known to be easily monitored and I doubt there was much more criminal activity happening through those then than now. I would argue that the conversations that have gone online are the interactions that were previously happening in-person…

15 years ago, if I had said that society would build a tracking system and that most people would happily carry a tracker in their pocket and pay monthly fees to support the tracking networks, I would have been laughed out of the room. But that is what happened, and most people are oblivious to this fact.

Most people simply have no choice unless you are willing to switch to GNU/Linux phones. Those are not 100% ready for everything yet.

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by lallysingh »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #15
Deestan wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody can be "trusted" with a backdoor, because it isn't really a valid concept. A backdoor is a vulnerability that doesn't care who you are or what your purpose is or who pays you. If you found the backdoor it is open to you. However hard the backdoor's security is, an insider recruited by Swedish intelligence (or Russia whatever the bogeyman du jour is) will leak the key at some point. Now all your "secure" shit c…

The TSA masterkey case is an interesting analogue example. I don't know much about locks, but I wonder how it could ever be secure, even if they never leaked photos of the masterkeys. In principle, it should be possible to reverse-engineer the shape of the masterkey from any masterkey-compatible lock. Would it be practical to do this?

This is the same TSA that's shown those keys in photo ops?

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

laurent92 wrote: post #30
lbblack wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it extremely alarming that law enforcement almost everywhere around the world is attempting to undermine almost a century-fold of legitimate mathematics and science with regards to encryption and cryptography. It's a tad embarrassing that lawmakers (who aren't even computer scientists like c'mon are we for real here?) somehow forgot how and who broke the Enigma Machine. Alan Turing did that. Same thing with th…

We need to make it strategic to hide our communications. The day the CIA decides that [place any enemy] has routers all over the place in US territory and that their spying is bad, they will mandate the use of Tor instead of discouraging it. We don’t need to be at war, but we need a capable enemy.

I heard the balance of power argument before and, well, you were already granted this wish ( and I would argue that you had it granted twice ). Both China and Russia are very capable adversaries at this time and US is slipping from its top dog position. It is genuinely sad to watch.

Re: The FBI Should Stop Attacking Encryption

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Post by topkeks »

formerly_proven wrote: post #21
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The TSA masterkey case is an interesting analogue example. I don't know much about locks, but I wonder how it could ever be secure, even if they never leaked photos of the masterkeys. In principle, it should be possible to reverse-engineer the shape of the masterkey from any masterkey-compatible lock. Would it be practical to do this?

- It is not secure - You can make/buy them - Luggage locks are all garbage anyway Most mechanical locks are garbage and neither resistant to practical physical attacks nor at all pick resistant. Many are vulnerable to super-generic low-skill attacks like bump keys and comb picks. Many electronic locks are garbage. Smart locks are complete garbage. See https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ for many…

I don't understand why Americans always use those garbage locks even in their homes. You never see such shitty locks in Northern Europe. Literally everyone is using Abloys.
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