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Post by marvinvz »

theamk wrote: post #318
cbozeman wrote: post #165

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There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

What's wrong with the good old method, "separate communities"? A group of people talking about sports will reject (or moderate) people who want to talk about latest programming languages. A group of people talking about computer-related stuff will downvote and flag non-computer news about latest sport game. The global discussion forum without any moderation does not live long. We can moderate the entire world if we s…

That was pretty normal until not long ago, but there seems to be a push to "everything is political". This provides the excuse to go after people who might contibute to a community, but stated somewhere else opinions that are not in line with somebody in said community.

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Post by Grustaf »

paulv wrote: post #294
nine_k wrote: post #268

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There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them. Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much. Thi…

Blocking, muting, or ignoring a handful of people may work. But when you have hundreds or thousands or more people harassing you, blocking them all isn't practical or sufficient. Get enough people mad at you and you'll end up being SWATted or doxxed (or turned in to deepfake porn). At some point the trolls start feeding each other. Next thing you know we end up with another gamergate (which started because some dude…

People can still SWAT you even after they've been banned from Twitter though.

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Post by andybak »

umeshunni wrote: post #258
edoceo wrote: post #213

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I think the parent might have been sarcastic. Hard to tell in text only. I read the last line as "pOlIcInG hAtE sPeEch" with USA being the butt of the joke.

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Missed adding a /s

I think I was reacting to your sarcasm.

I presumed you were arguing that it is a hypocricy to criticise "repressive government moderation" on one hand while supporting "policing hate speech" on the other.

I would argue that it's possible to consistently support the latter whilst condemning the former. It's simply a debate about when a neccesary evil slips over the line into something worse.

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Post by Can_Not »

Marsymars wrote: post #183
aaronmdjones wrote: post #103

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I lost my Discord account for daring to use the "change your e-mail address" feature. Nothing warned me that this was a potentially-destructive action. It happens.

A year or two ago I went through every online account I have to change the email address. I should have kept a record of results. Some were good and easy. Some had no option other than an account closure. Some involved a single contact of support without any real verification that I was actually the account holder. Some involved a protracted string of contact with support that tried to claim I was asking for an impos…

I had way too many successful email changes that did not send an email to my old email account informing me of the action. If a hacker had stolen those accounts, I might not know for a long time!

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Post by rjmunro »

cbozeman wrote: post #263
erikpukinskis wrote: post #210

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I am not sure I understand your claim... there are many global-scale companies that do moderate their entire site... Google, Reddit, Amazon. Are you trying to make a more specific claim than your post lets on? Maybe that it’s impossible to moderate without making some concession you don’t prefer? Or it’s impossible to moderate away certain kinds of things?

You're going to use Reddit as an example, where the people least deserving of power are given it, freely, and end up banning people for merely having different opinions? I would not have used that in my list. It doesn't boil down to a "concession I don't prefer". The only thing you moderate are those things deemed illegal by the Federal government, anything else is fair game, which brings us a pretty large umbrella o…

> deemed illegal by the Federal government

I'm guessing you mean the US Federal government, not the Federal government of China, or any of the many others around the world. For a global network, why should the US government's rules be more important than others? Or should networks be restricted to one country only?

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Post by why_Mr_Anderson »

offby37years wrote: post #237
ivan_gammel wrote: post #123

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The moderation by Russian government isn’t something I would wish to any culture.

The US is already at Soviet levels: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-sovietization-of-the-ameri...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about? Soviet level? Not even close, not even in the same-universe-close. Please learn something about what the life in USSR was really like.

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Post by bzbarsky »

why_Mr_Anderson wrote: post #336
offby37years wrote: post #237

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The US is already at Soviet levels: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-sovietization-of-the-ameri...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about? Soviet level ? Not even close, not even in the same-universe-close. Please learn something about what the life in USSR was really like.

You're right that on the specific topic of government censorship they are not nearly the same. Very different legal structures and all that.

But from talking to people who were living in the USSR as adults through the 70s and 80s (and my own memories of the USSR in the 80s, though I was not an adult, and reading I have done, but I put more weight on the in-person conversations with people I know and who can give me direct first-hand comparisons), the US is certainly same-universe close at this point, and rapidly getting closer, in terms of things like public confessions, limiting acceptable points of view (in _parts_ of the US, segregated by culture) etc. In some aspect, "further along", heading for Cultural Revolution era China. The practical implications are unfortunately not as different as one might like.

Maybe a clearer way to describe it is that the "lived experience" (again, limited to certain professions or locations in the US) is unfortunately far too similar, even while the legal and social structures that produce it are quite different in their details.

And just make sure we're on the same page: the US now is nothing like _1930s_ USSR. We should make sure we mean the same thing when we say "life in the USSR", because it varied quite a bit over 70 years.

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Post by TimJRobinson »

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Absolutely. We can solve this with decentralized networks with a TrustNet so moderation is user centric rather than global. I've explored this problem in depth here: https://adecentralizedworld.com/2020/06/a-trust-and-moderati...

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Post by Can_Not »

hyperpape wrote: post #267
faeyanpiraat wrote: post #178

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I don’t know how this relates to the twitter thingy, but it was a useful read, thanks! A relevant tag: #devops

swiftonsecurity speculated that whoever banned “Memphis” meant to ban something like “123 Example Street, Memphis”, but hit an edge case in the parser or screwed up a regex or something. My thought is that the message “you’re about to ban 123,456 users, please confirm how many users you’re ready to ban” would have been a useful safeguard.

My thoughts on the matter is that Test Driven Design is pretty cool, and if you had never written a test before, this is the one of the easiest tests to write.
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