Well, I guess the crazy correlation between initial server-side tech choice and valuation has just gotten a lot crazier: https://twitter.com/logicmason/status/1371255029412233218 Edit: Based on the published data I can find, Stripe and Coinbase alone have added more to their valuations in the last year than the total valuation of the top 50 YC-funded startups including Stripe and Coinbase was last year.
Would be interested in accounting for startup age. Wouldn't be surprised if the Ruby companies are older on average
Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
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Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#122Well, I guess the crazy correlation between initial server-side tech choice and valuation has just gotten a lot crazier: https://twitter.com/logicmason/status/1371255029412233218 Edit: Based on the published data I can find, Stripe and Coinbase alone have added more to their valuations in the last year than the total valuation of the top 50 YC-funded startups including Stripe and Coinbase was last year.
Would be interested in accounting for startup age. Wouldn't be surprised if the Ruby companies are older on average
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#123Well, I guess the crazy correlation between initial server-side tech choice and valuation has just gotten a lot crazier: https://twitter.com/logicmason/status/1371255029412233218 Edit: Based on the published data I can find, Stripe and Coinbase alone have added more to their valuations in the last year than the total valuation of the top 50 YC-funded startups including Stripe and Coinbase was last year.
I mean, nearly all of the top companies in that list were started in the very late '00s and early '10s time frame, when Ruby (and to a lesser extent Rails) was (a) very well established and (b) known for being a high-productivity language for small teams.
For example, NodeJS and Go barely existed when many of those companies were founded (or, in some cases like AirBnB, didn't exist), so I definitely think there is likely to be a different list of languages for top startups in 10 years time.
I do think, though, that it is definitely no accident that languages like Java and C++ appear way under-represented given their prevalence in the industry at large. My personal theory is that what is most important for developer productivity is the feedback loop between making a code change and being able to see that change in a running application. Scripting languages make it often as trivial as saving a file and refreshing, while compiled languages can, in addition to having a costly compile step, also have a very costly deployment step. I remember in the early 00s the painful experience of editing Java code and waiting nearly minutes for a local deploy step to get that code running again.
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#124I'm building a non-profit and Stripe fees eat into donations. Are there any good Stripe alternatives out there?
I've heard good things about Donorbox.org but haven't used them personally
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#125I have worked in payments for over 10 years and I can tell you Stripe changed the game, made payments better and made it accessible to all.
Before Stripe payment processing was a nightmare. Payment processors had overly complicated APIs and poor documentation(if at all). The fee structures were intentionally not clear and plenty of them had minimum processing amounts and/or monthly fees which made payments processing (outside of PayPal) inaccessible to companies or individuals that lacked capital.
Stripe fixed the sh*t show that was payments by creating a really good payments API with clear documentation and a fee structure that was clear and affordable for even the smallest of companies.
Next Stripe created Atlas. Now let me tell you something, as someone that does not live in the US, but had a startup, this was huge. When I had a startup, and was looking for a local payment processor that could process in the US, they wanted to charge me thousands of dollars just to get started and that is when I personally knew a large chunk of their senior management.
Atlas (which I have never been a customer of) made the opening of a company in the US easy a which gives me and countless others access to Stripe, an affordable high quality payment processor.
And I can go on and on about the other things Stripe has done to make payments and finance on the internet better (connect, capital etc.).
Watching the Stripe rocket ship from a far has been amazing. They are changing payments and finance and I look forward to seeing them continue to innovate and push the limits of what can be done.
Congrats Patrick, John and the Stripe team.
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#126Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#127Well, I guess the crazy correlation between initial server-side tech choice and valuation has just gotten a lot crazier: https://twitter.com/logicmason/status/1371255029412233218 Edit: Based on the published data I can find, Stripe and Coinbase alone have added more to their valuations in the last year than the total valuation of the top 50 YC-funded startups including Stripe and Coinbase was last year.
Would be interested in accounting for startup age. Wouldn't be surprised if the Ruby companies are older on average
Though we hired a bunch of people from Google, who brought Java, and we went hard towards SOA. Around 2013 there was a Java vs Ruby war in engineering, with many upset people. It ended in peaceful coexistence. But most things in the main payment flow ended up Java.
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#128Is Stripe unprofitable? What kind of scale are they going to reach that will push them over the edge into the black that they haven't been able to reach at the vast scale they already have? If they are profitable, why go the expensive equity route rather than using retained earnings? Or bonds? American Airlines recently sold $10 billion of them at 5.5%. Surely Stripe could do just as well or better.
Keep in mind that they are a cash-heavy enterprise -- their risk exposure is any company that uses them goes bankrupt and they're on the hook for all the chargebacks.
Their blog post[0] describes some business that aren't allowed, but provides some insight into their exposure:
> We recognized that the private jet market is different and analyzed financial statements, payment flows, customer profiles, and more to fully understand the underlying mechanics of the business. We modeled OpenJet’s business and determined that the credit exposure was within an acceptable range. We engaged our banking partners with concrete financial analysis, put in controls to monitor risk as the company grows, and OpenJet successfully launched on Stripe.
Let's say OpenJet as an example has ~$10MM of annual revenue. Let's liberally assume people don't book flights out further out than 6 months -- so ~$5MM of annual revenue is up in the air, so to speak. If OpenJet goes bust tomorrow, OpenJet's creditors -- including Stripe -- are on the hook for anywhere from $0 to $5MM of outstanding fares that could get charged back.
That's just one business. From TFA:
> Stripe has ridden the wave of ecommerce growth, with more than 200,000 new companies in Europe signing up to the platform since the start of the pandemic. John Collison said it handled almost 5,000 transaction requests a second in 2020.
How many of these companies will go bust? Even if we assume Stripe is profitable, their losses are surely huge and unpredictable, so having a huge pile of cash helps insulate them against market swings and lets them take bigger risks on bigger, possibly riskier customers, which in turn helps them make even more money.
0: https://stripe.com/blog/why-some-businesses-arent-allowed
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some context, this is roughly - One tenth of Apple, - One seventh of Google, - (Joke entry: 2/7 Teslas), - More than half a Walmart, - Just under one Netflix, - A SalesForce, - A Pfizer, - Nearly 2 IBMs (Makes sense to me), - 2.7 GMs. Strong statements, though I'll never put money against this sort of thing.
but only 1/4th of VISA, who I think they'll overtake in the next decade or so.
I think PayPal should be the better comparison/overtake target, at 290B.
Re: Stripe valuation soars to $95B after latest fundraising
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
but only 1/4th of VISA, who I think they'll overtake in the next decade or so.
isn't a lot of Stripe's revenue going _through_ VISA? It doesn't seem to me they're replacing them as much as possibly making them more money. I think PayPal should be the better comparison/overtake target, at 290B.