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Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by acdha »

nine_k wrote: post #268
tom_mellior wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.

There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them. Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much. Thi…

This approach only works if they don’t care about you. There’s a couple of decades of history by now showing how this approach fails, ranging from mass harassment (want to spend weeks blocking randos and sock puppets?) to attempts to contact your family and coworkers up to in-person harassment, placing Craigslist ads with your address saying you have violent rape fantasies, and SWATing.

This is, of course, unevenly distributed. If you’re a white guy you have to work at it to get the same level of resentment in certain circles that other people start with by being female, brown, gay, etc.

GamerGate is well worth learning about as an extreme example of how far it can get beyond the level where blocking works: it started with one person (Eron Gjoni) trying to clinch the “worst ex ever” title by rallying a hate mob against his ex girlfriend with some fake claims, which produced hate spasms for over a year, multiple police investigations, and fed into the 2016 US Presidential election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by josephg »

j16sdiz wrote: post #298
cageface wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So can people out in public without masks on be charged with any of these things?

Not wearing masks increase the risk. But as long as they, themselves, are not infected, they are not “killing” You don’t charge people with manslaughter violating fire code —- there are separate law for that

Covid is so dangerous because you don't know when you're infected. People don't show symptoms for about 10 days after getting covid, and they're infectious long before symptoms appear. By the time you know you're infected with covid, you can easily have given it to someone else - and they could have already given it to another person in turn!

Here in Australia we're dealing with quarantine outbreaks by ring fencing. When we have a confirmed case, we isolate everyone that person has been in contact with, and also isolate everyone they've been in contact with as well. So, one confirmed case -> we lock down hundreds of people. This is the only way we've found to keep outbreaks under control without locking down entire cities.

The policy of only wearing a mask when you feel sick is nowhere near enough to stop you from infecting & potentially killing people.

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Post by fortran77 »

GhostVII wrote: post #121
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows…

Twitter does allow sharable blocklists. I maintain and distribute a very popular one.

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Post by fortran77 »

mountainb wrote: post #203
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

It's a modern reliving of the myth of the Tower of Babel.

Myth?

I think the "Bavel" analogy is apt.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by dragonwriter »

croes wrote: post #162
dragonwriter wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's simply not true, evangelization is hard and requires connection to personal experience much more the convincing people of wet paint does, and it requires connecting it to personal experience for which people haven’t already accepted a better explanation, which is a lot harder than with “the paint is wet”. You don't just tell people “God exists” and they're like “Oh, sure, thanks.” (Well, except perhaps sarcast…

Yes you do, that's how children get indoctrinated.

> Yes you do, that's how children get indoctrinated.

Children may take parental guidance more easily on the existence of God than is the case with evangelization generally, sure (though still not as easy as the quote suggest is true of people taking such inputs generally.)

But then, they also, at the same ages where they’ll accept parental guidance on that, accept parental claims on more prosaic material fact, too. So, even then, the contrast suggested by the quote is bogus.

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

cageface wrote: post #300
j16sdiz wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not wearing masks increase the risk. But as long as they, themselves, are not infected, they are not “killing” You don’t charge people with manslaughter violating fire code —- there are separate law for that

I'm really not clear on what you're advocating here. Going out in public without a mask increases the risk of transmitting the virus to other people, possibly killing them. In this case one person's freedoms impinge on another's.

Risk is a part of life, driving a car puts people at risk. Going out with a mask also puts people at risk. Coal and nuclear power put people at risk.

You can’t eliminate risk by restricting people’s rights, at some point the restrictions cause more measureable harm and risk of future harm than they eliminate.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by cageface »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #307
cageface wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really not clear on what you're advocating here. Going out in public without a mask increases the risk of transmitting the virus to other people, possibly killing them. In this case one person's freedoms impinge on another's.

Risk is a part of life, driving a car puts people at risk. Going out with a mask also puts people at risk. Coal and nuclear power put people at risk. You can’t eliminate risk by restricting people’s rights, at some point the restrictions cause more measureable harm and risk of future harm than they eliminate.

We restrict people's rights all the time. You don't have the right to drive drunk, or fly a drone around an airport or raise a false fire alarm in a crowded theater etc etc. Society is a balancing act of one person's freedoms vs another.

Why should I have to endure life threating extra risk for something that's a trivial inconvenience on your part like wearing a mask?

I have to say that this kind of me-first libertarian thinking is a big part of the reason I choose not to live in the US anymore.

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Post by efreak »

leshenka wrote: post #208
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #106

Yeah, can confirm. It does work. I don't suggest trying it, as unlocking your account requires phone no. and email verification... yikes.

I tried to create a Twitter account once. 5 minutes after creation it got suspended and unlocking required a phone no. Same goes for Facebook

I've got a couple dozen accounts registered between defunct bots that were tied to irc bots or blogs, and single-use numbered accounts registered for contests and giveaways that required twitter. None of them has ever required any proof or phone number for registration. My primary account, which I use just as infrequently? Of course they asked for my phone number. I'm just annoyed I can't do 2fa without the twitter client or sms.

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Post by msla »

nine_k wrote: post #268
tom_mellior wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.

There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them. Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much. Thi…

That works until the trolls' game is to shut down the channel of communication by crapflooding it.

Spewbots and humans who act like them are nothing new. See a topic of discussion you feel is dangerous or merely not aligned with your core values? Send in the trolls and/or bots to spew hateful nonsense all over it until nothing else remains. Ignoring those trolls is precisely what they want: Ignore them, ignore the topic, ignore everything all the non-trolls are saying, move along, nothing to see here. Nifty little censorship tool if you can weaponize it effectively enough.

DNFTT only works on pathological individual cases who care about what the community thinks of them.

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