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Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by morpheos137 »

ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Why is moderation required on a platform like twitter? If somebody makes offensive tweets who forces you to view their page? If some group of people openly plot criminal activity why not let the civil authorities prosecute them for their crimes? I don't get the impulse to control free speech online. Offline you can say whatever you want in a public forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxDkAkclw4

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

nine_k wrote: post #268
tom_mellior wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another You're assuming good faith from both parties. Harassers and trolls don't act in good faith.

There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them. Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much. Thi…

What happens if the trolls decide to bring explosives to blow up your Buddha statue?

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by mikem170 »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #242
mikem170 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, that correlation would probably cut both ways. For example, the people who don't decide to try things for themselves being more susceptible to being swayed by propaganda. Interesting to look at, as you said. I assume that different personality types evolved because that made us more robust as a species.

Right, like all the intrepid outsider-scientists that are resilient to the propaganda of a round Earth. Sadly, many of the commenters here are still somewhat susceptible to propaganda, since they locked their account and then believed the results of the experiment. For maximum resilience to scientific propaganda, they should perform the experiment repeatedly and refuse to accept the results each time.

Sorry, maybe I didn't do a good job with my comment. A better more specific example of what I meant might be all the people who drank the cool-aid at Jonestown. They bought the cult propaganda hook line and sinker, and died for it. Sometimes people are too sceptical, sometimes they are not sceptical enough. I didn't mean that the twitter lockout was propaganda.

And my closing thought was that it probably make us better as a society that we have both sceptical and non-sceptical people.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by xwolfi »

onion2k wrote: post #212
cbozeman wrote: post #165

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There is no way to moderate the entire world. The sooner everyone alive accepts this, the better off we will be. The values of a Black lesbian female software developer who grew up in San Francisco and went to Stanford will never be compatible with the values of a Hispanic straight male Marine officer who grew up in San Antonio and went to Texas Christian University and has been deployed to 17 different countries. Ho…

However, they can and do exist on the same platforms. They can exist because both of them are going to HAVE to learn how to engage with one another, even though their existences are completely incompatible and utterly different. How are those two people's lives on social media incompatible? There's a million things they could have in common - a love of tacos, a band to talk about, a shared joke about a dumb celebrity…

I think you put a strong word on something very common. Invalidating existence is not always call to murder :D

If you say gun owners dont deserve to live or that the world would be better without white people, there are way to let it be said and discuss it without heavy moderation.

People are just mad at mad people. That s why it s a frigging jungle online. But if you stay patient with mad people or ignore them if you re not sure, then moderation stays on important things like doxxing

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by samcodes »

riffic wrote: post #34

Twitter has increasingly slid into user-hostile territory. I moderate /r/Twitter on reddit and we have a pinned thread just showing nothing but complaint after complaint, because content moderation is a failure when you attempt to scale it. We'd like to get Twitter Comms to address it at some point, but the company is opaque. It's just nuts.

it's possible to do NLP at scale much better than they do. they just don't care

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by nine_k »

nyanpasu64 wrote: post #273
nine_k wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a well-known recipe against trolls: do not feed them. Block and ignore them. If you visit a bathroom, you normally don't bloviate about the kind of crap you had just to flush, you rather avoid the topic; the same applies to trolls. Bring zero attention to them. Trolls' game is all about drawing attention, in the form of ire, offense, and and panic. Deprive them this, and they'll cease to bother you much. Thi…

What happens if the trolls decide to bring explosives to blow up your Buddha statue?

I think it stretches the metaphor outside its charted range.

OTOH using explosives is outright violence, and would likely be illegal by US federal laws.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by xwolfi »

morpheos137 wrote: post #271
ve55 wrote: post #55

In general it seems like moderating platforms with millions/billions of users is a fool's errand, but is required to be attempted due to the level of centralization we've ended up with. Regardless of how much of it is automated away via blackbox ML algorithms lacking transparency or via outsourcing to cheap labor that spends their days looking at terribly offensive and shocking content, the end result is going to hav…

Why is moderation required on a platform like twitter? If somebody makes offensive tweets who forces you to view their page? If some group of people openly plot criminal activity why not let the civil authorities prosecute them for their crimes? I don't get the impulse to control free speech online. Offline you can say whatever you want in a public forum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxDkAkclw4

Well if you give the address of the teenage daughter of you noisy neighbour doing parties all the time with a pic that say "come and take me", maybe you crossed a line that should stimulate moderation?

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by cbozeman »

cageface wrote: post #269
cbozeman wrote: post #261

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> people literally rather died than wore a piece of cloth just because they looked at it emotionally and not rationally And that's fine. If you're going to live in a so-called "free" society, part of that "freedom" means people have to be "free" to make stupid choices, even if those stupid choices kill them.

What if their stupid choices kill other people too?

We already have laws for those things - second, third degree murder; involuntary manslaughter, etc.

Re: Tweeting “Memphis” autolocks your Twitter account

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Post by ChainOfFools »

offby37years wrote: post #232
GhostVII wrote: post #121

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Why not have user curated and shareable blocklists? So if I never want to see anything from Alex Jones or Milo Yiannopoulos and the like, I just subscribe to a blocklist that eliminates far right commentators. You could even create networks of trusted users where anyone they block, is blocked for everyone in the network. Or have shareable rulesets, like "block anyone who uses this word", or "block anyone who follows…

Why would big tech voluntarily surrender the unprecedented power to shape worldwide discourse? "Power intoxicates men. It is never voluntarily surrendered. It must be taken from them." — James F. Byrnes

> "Power intoxicates men. It is never voluntarily surrendered. It must be taken from them." — James F. Byrnes

A great quote that could be understood as a proof that decentralization is a mirage. For decentralization to work it requires its participanta to voluntarily surrender their prerogative to accumulate a relative advantage through exceptional personal agency.

"Decentralization for thee and not for me."

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