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Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by ondrek »

somedude895 wrote: post #168
macspoofing wrote: post #158

Yeah, I get it. It is a necessary change just so you take this of the table and not deal with the sporadic complaints that would come. Keeping the 'master' or 'master-slave' (in context of HA) terms just isn't worth potentially offending someone, or losing a sale, or getting bad press. We changed our verbage a couple years in our product as well just for that reason (Master-Slave to Primary-Secondary). The previous c…

> I wish we, the global community, didn't all have to pay for America's internal cultural hangups. Can't wait for Disney to remove any references to the "Dark Side" in Star Wars, Harry Potter to rename the "Dark Arts" into the "Bad Arts" and Lord of the Rings' "Black Riders" to become the "Evil Horsemen." Nobody ever used to connect the term "blacklist" to race. But common sense doesn't seem to play a role anymore.

Seeing black / whitelists discussions I always wonder, if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by macspoofing »

ondrek wrote: post #181
somedude895 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish we, the global community, didn't all have to pay for America's internal cultural hangups. Can't wait for Disney to remove any references to the "Dark Side" in Star Wars, Harry Potter to rename the "Dark Arts" into the "Bad Arts" and Lord of the Rings' "Black Riders" to become the "Evil Horsemen." Nobody ever used to connect the term "blacklist" to race. But common sense doesn't seem to play a role anymore.

Seeing black / whitelists discussions I always wonder, if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light.

>if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light.

This definition of white/black colors is context dependent.

In some contexts white is defined as a combination of colors, and black is absence of colors.

In some contexts (e.g. art) white is defined as absence of colors, and black is a combination of colors.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by pdxandi »

ec109685 wrote: post #165
elric wrote: post #48

I would like to point out that it's perfectly OK to have master/slave relations between computers, hard disks and git branches. The only place where it's problematic is between humans. Perhaps we would do well to remember that words can have different meanings in different contexts. It's nice to try to be considerate of people who are sensitive to certain issues, but at the same time they would do well to limit their…

Master / slave are catch all terms versus more precise ones that represent the exact relationship of two systems.

I personally prefer primary/secondary anyway.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by pdxandi »

av8avenger wrote: post #81

Are there actually any devs out there that are really offended and feel excluded or worse than others because the default git branch is called master? I work in a fairly small company, but if i think of all the things we'd have to change in our infrastructure to exclude all of those offending words (like Black- and White-Lists), we'd probably be busy for a couple of weeks.

> we’d probably be busy for a couple weeks

You would get paid to implement more descriptive systems. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by pdxandi »

john_alan wrote: post #17

We should probably stop referring to nice teeth as straight and white too. Wouldn’t want to offend. If you can’t disambiguate software development from human abuse the problem is your grasp of semantics not society.

This just seems like a wholly childish comment. White and straight seem like good descriptions for teeth.

Why do you feel outraged by the conversation around improving technology to be more inclusive?

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by [deleted] »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #38
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

Anyone who believes that "master" is some kind of slur and takes the opportunity to take offense over it is not someone you want causing problems in your organization.

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Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#190

Post by mjw1007 »

depr wrote: post #64
truculent wrote: post #28

Either (1) Default name doesn't have inherent value; therefore, changing the default isn't a big deal (low downside), even if the upside is low (2) "master" is for some reason a better name than "main" I never see the people complaining about this stuff spelling out a reason why it's a bad idea to change (2), and am forced to conclude that we are in scenario (1). It seems to me that opinion is much more divided on th…

There is a downside which is all aliases and snippets which assume `master` and no longer work (or work across repositories).

Web links can break too. A URL that could previously be used to retrieve the most recent version of a document may no longer do so.

I've already read one bug report where two people were talking at cross-purposes for a considerable time because one of them was reading a stale version of a proposed standard for this reason.

It's hardly the largest cause of «Cool URIs don't change»[1] violations out there, but it's enough to cause some real trouble.

[1] https://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI

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