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Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Where is this imaginary line between “ok to be offended” and “not ok to be offended”? Who decides where that line is? If you can trivially avoid even the risk of offending someone — especially in a professional context — then why wouldn’t you?

How is making a change that impacts people globally (which includes non English speakers) to mildly please a tiny portion of loud people trivial?

How big of a change is this for you? I mean seriously?

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Lol, are we mains graduate now ?

Master agumonkey, (oops) how would you like to pay your student loans for that Masters degree? (oops.) Would you like to pay by Mastercard? (oops.)

Apparently the HN crowd disagreed on your facetious mastery :)

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#153

I see this article is flagged. Really? Can't we even discuss this issue like adults?

Unfortunately the answer isn't necessarily yes. In this case, though, I think people may be reacting more to the fact that this topic has had dozens of submissions and at least a dozen major discussions in the last year.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#154

Another victim of this hysteria. Will surely make a point to switch it back every time I create a repo.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. This sort of provocation is close to trolling. It seriously damages the thread, especially when the topic is provocative. Please don't do it again.

There are plenty of ways to make substantive comments on both sides of this question, as other users have demonstrated. Please either do that instead, or (always a fine option) don't post.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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We're not examining every word. This article is about examining a specific word, with a specific history, within a specific context.

In a specific country, whose industry takes free open source labor from all over the world and then imposes its own cultural values. Open source people from other regions provide the majority of code and have no say in political decisions. One might be tempted to say that they are slaves.

Please don't use HN for political and ideological flamewar, regardless of what you're battling for or against. We're trying for something else here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#156

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We all know exactly the kind of people driving this change. We've worked with them. We know how they function on teams and in the office. We know they aren't particularly good at what they do, barring a few exceptions. And we know what they will do to us, to our jobs, and to our companies if we don't bow to their demands.

I don't know, seems like a very weird subjective reality you're trying to push in an objective one. I am one of those people, yet I haven't had any significant problems with my work ethic. Pushing a narrative that these people are "gonna do something to us" is a weird one to push. What's gonna happen? We're gonna be kinder to one another? We would want to make people around us happy in a profoundly human way rather t…

If an employer or coworker doesn’t agree to whatever is your latest demand, “you” would start a campaign to get them fired or contact their customers to try to lose them business. Happens regularly.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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I don't know, I can't speak for the people who's access is limited. However, I am Dutch and can say that these cultural sensibilities are far outside of just the "American" one. There are plenty of people that struggle with this terminology in a realistic way. Even if you can't find anecdotal evidence of someone being offended by this, you can rationally come to the conclusion that it might be worth changing it. And…

I mean, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for at least a couple actual examples of this change helping people feel better about participating in technology. In the absence of such, it all feels very performative and, dare I say, a cheap way to score good PR for participating organizations. I don't think it really hurts anyone to an extent that it should be opposed, but neither does it really help, until proven o…

I would suggest looking up what the Dutch did in relation to race equality in history and how we were involved in a lot of slave trade, sometimes even to the US.

I would say you have a point with saying it's performative, and I don't have anything to counter that. However, perhaps your energy could be spent looking for someone that is actually offended by this to counter your own perspective?

Kinda Karl Popper style of disprove your own theory?

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#158
Yeah, I get it. It is a necessary change just so you take this of the table and not deal with the sporadic complaints that would come. Keeping the 'master' or 'master-slave' (in context of HA) terms just isn't worth potentially offending someone, or losing a sale, or getting bad press. We changed our verbage a couple years in our product as well just for that reason (Master-Slave to Primary-Secondary). The previous company I worked at (circa 2006) did the same as well after a complaint, so this nomenclature change was happening for a few years now. Meh, whatever.

It would be nice if that was the end of it, but it feels like we're now just looking for things to be offended by. For example, I have to admit that the terms 'whitelist'/'blacklist' being labeled as not 'inclusive' caught me by surprise because my brain didn't even make that connection ... at all. I wish we, the global community, didn't all have to pay for America's internal cultural hangups.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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I don't know, seems like a very weird subjective reality you're trying to push in an objective one. I am one of those people, yet I haven't had any significant problems with my work ethic. Pushing a narrative that these people are "gonna do something to us" is a weird one to push. What's gonna happen? We're gonna be kinder to one another? We would want to make people around us happy in a profoundly human way rather t…

If an employer or coworker doesn’t agree to whatever is your latest demand, “you” would start a campaign to get them fired or contact their customers to try to lose them business. Happens regularly.

I mean, that would imply you would prefer a term that is in a way discriminatory to a particular group right? Not in bad faith, but it seems you kind off admitted that there is some evil in doing so, and that you're willing to do it.

Also, I wouldn't do that. Emancipating an actual workforce or colleagues would be my solution, not making the company suffer under it.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Please don't be hysterical. In case you're getting angry at the downvotes, I can tell you why you're getting them. There are only two lines of content in your comment other than tribal affiliation signal. One of them is a factually obviously false statement ("Just the amount of money and work hours done… to make this… change… could feed all the starving people on the world"); one of them is a question answered in the…

why would I be angry with downvotes? They dont mean anything to me. In the meantime, I just created another repo with branch called... master.

Cool man hope you feel extremely badass for doing that!
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