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Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by cobraetor »

mswtk wrote: post #78
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

> I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for s…

> Is it more accessible? As in, is this change driven by complaints from actual people who feel excluded by the terminology? As far as I'm aware, none of the projects making these changes even claims that, it's all speculation on behalf of hypothetical offended parties.

I'm an African American, and no I'm not offended by Git's branch name. White progressives spend so much time on virtue signalling but hardly pay any attention to pressing Black problems like Black poverty and education.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#142

Post by cobraetor »

oap_bram wrote: post #101
schoolornot wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all know exactly the kind of people driving this change. We've worked with them. We know how they function on teams and in the office. We know they aren't particularly good at what they do, barring a few exceptions. And we know what they will do to us, to our jobs, and to our companies if we don't bow to their demands.

I don't know, seems like a very weird subjective reality you're trying to push in an objective one. I am one of those people, yet I haven't had any significant problems with my work ethic. Pushing a narrative that these people are "gonna do something to us" is a weird one to push. What's gonna happen? We're gonna be kinder to one another? We would want to make people around us happy in a profoundly human way rather t…

Claiming without evidence that African Americans are offended (not to mention it is patronizing to them) by a term like "master" is subjective reality.

Cancel culture, which grand parent is referring to, is real. You will find many anecdotes on Hacker News. Here is one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21484347

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by cobraetor »

oap_bram wrote: post #44
hYKdTfpa wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. How does this make anything more accessible for anyone?

There are plenty of people in our society that actually have a negative relationship to these terms that we commonly use in our profession. Psychologically, it can be harder to be part of a group of people or a profession when you have to use these terms, therefor lowering accessibility. This can be because of stigma enforcing terminology (such is the case of master/slave for some people). These are usually not effec…

Please stop speaking up on behalf of African Americans without consulting their own opinion on this matter.

I'm one and not even my Black friends care about this silly posturing from White progressives. We are frankly getting tired of this virtue signalling while the American society doesn't give a shit about actual Black problems.

What is "rationality without empathy"? Have you tried getting off that armchair and tried talking to poor Black people to understand how they feel?

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#144

Post by throw0101a »

mswtk wrote: post #78
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

> I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for s…

> dictated by American cultural sensibilities

The English-language Internet (and tech) field has a large centre of gravity in the US, so those of us outside of the US do tend view a lot of the rending of garments on some topics to be quite strange.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by sceptical »

macinjosh wrote: post #108
Smaug123 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't be hysterical. In case you're getting angry at the downvotes, I can tell you why you're getting them. There are only two lines of content in your comment other than tribal affiliation signal. One of them is a factually obviously false statement ("Just the amount of money and work hours done… to make this… change… could feed all the starving people on the world"); one of them is a question answered in the…

Please never use the word hysterical. It is deeply rooted in hate against women.

In the current climate it is impossible to determine if this is serious or a joke. This is in itself hysterical.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by splix »

EdwinLarkin wrote: post #120

This is american cultural imperialism. Plaina and simple. I am planning to migrate to Russian or Chinese hosted git alternatives.

That's actually an interesting cultural and language difference. Being Russian, I never thought about the offense meaning of the word "master" in English, at least in this context.

The reason is that in Russia word "master" ("мастер") means something like "an expert in his field", usually referred to professionals. It seems that it has the same Latin root but evolved into a different meaning. So the Russian meaning is more close to the Italian "Maestro".

And for me, that meaning was a good fit for the "master" branch, like it contains something professionally made or finished, and just learned that Americans put different meaning when they were deciding on the branch's name.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by afiori »

splix wrote: post #146
EdwinLarkin wrote: post #120

This is american cultural imperialism. Plaina and simple. I am planning to migrate to Russian or Chinese hosted git alternatives.

That's actually an interesting cultural and language difference. Being Russian, I never thought about the offense meaning of the word "master" in English, at least in this context. The reason is that in Russia word "master" ("мастер") means something like "an expert in his field", usually referred to professionals. It seems that it has the same Latin root but evolved into a different meaning. So the Russian meaning i…

Another usage of "maestro" in Italian is in "muro maestro" meaning the "load-bearing wall", which is quite apt for git.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by fileeditview »

elric wrote: post #48

I would like to point out that it's perfectly OK to have master/slave relations between computers, hard disks and git branches. The only place where it's problematic is between humans. Perhaps we would do well to remember that words can have different meanings in different contexts. It's nice to try to be considerate of people who are sensitive to certain issues, but at the same time they would do well to limit their…

Absolutely.. most people complaining about this seem to want to purge the concept itself.. which is crazy to me. The concept is just that. It is not good or bad if you don't involve any human parties and practise it. It just describes that one or many entities control one or many other entities.

Culture has become oversensitive in a bad way. And IMO changing "master" to "main" won't help fight racism at all. It is just some useless showpiece action to render whoever it does as a good person or company.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

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Post by throwaway210222 »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #38
oap_bram wrote: post #16

I for one think it's great that people are willing to make things a little more accessible for more people. If people want to be part of our community of developers I think it's great that these organizations listen to people who might have a problem with certain terminology. Even though I don't have a problem with those terms, I think it's still worth evaluating if they're worth keeping if it makes it harder for som…

Anyone who believes that "master" is some kind of slur and takes the opportunity to take offense over it is not someone you want causing problems in your organization.

I cannot wait until the woke find out what 'robot' means in Hungarian.

Re: Gitlab default branch name changes to main

#150

Post by splix »

afiori wrote: post #147
splix wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually an interesting cultural and language difference. Being Russian, I never thought about the offense meaning of the word "master" in English, at least in this context. The reason is that in Russia word "master" ("мастер") means something like "an expert in his field", usually referred to professionals. It seems that it has the same Latin root but evolved into a different meaning. So the Russian meaning i…

Another usage of "maestro" in Italian is in "muro maestro" meaning the "load-bearing wall", which is quite apt for git.

yeah, similar, there are different words and phrases produced from "master" in Russia, and all of them means something related to professional or good work. Like "master-skaya" is "work room", and so on. So I was always thinking in this context referring the git branches.
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