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Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by the-smug-one »

kortilla wrote: post #184
the-smug-one wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDP per capita in the US is over $60000USD. 20% of that is a rather large chunk to directly redistribute to the workers, but is it an impossible amount? The effects of UBI on how we live our lives would probably be quite enormous and it's (to me, as a comp sci person) difficult to ascertain what its effects would be.

Yes, that’s enormous and you’re forgetting that a huge chunk of that already is income. You mentioned GDP in an effort to downplay the the enormity of the size. That’s every transaction for a good or service. That means to pay for this, not only would there be an extra 20% on income tax for everyone, but there would be a 20% federal sales tax on everything (including homes, surgeries, tuition, etc). “Redistribute fro…

>You mentioned GDP in an effort to downplay the the enormity of the size

No, actually I mentioned it because I thought you skipped out on the fact that money isn't a static amount which we drain out with UBI in this quote:

>To put that in context, the top 1% have an aggregate wealth in the US of about 34 trillion. So we could take all of the net worth from doctors, lawyers, business owners, CEOs, FAANG employees, etc and pay for this for about 10 years.

So I wanted to have a different measurement which took how much we produce into account.

But thanks for assuming I'm arguing in bad faith, lol.

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Post by ceejayoz »

sneak wrote: post #154
Daho0n wrote: post #143

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Free as in freedom. Even though you can't force them, big corps really should donate at least some free beer.

The point of freedom is that there is no "should" beyond what the license requires. They are free to act as they choose, and do what they choose, with the software.

We are also free to consider that dickish behavior and criticize it.

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by ceejayoz »

kortilla wrote: post #190
ceejayoz wrote: post #47

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I mean, it's not a legal obligation, but it might be a nicer world if we considered it an ethical one.

No, that defeats the fucking point of open source. Nowhere did I say it was a legal obligation. I’m saying it’s not an obligation at all because that’s the entire reason it’s open source to begin with. I write open source software. I don’t want my users means tested by the moral brigade to determine they should have coughed up money. I put it out there to literally prevent people from wasting humanity re-inventing th…

> No, that defeats the fucking point of open source.

The "fucking point of open source" was, in part, that "free software" didn't send the right message and that we needed a new term that didn't imply "free as in beer".

Open collaboration and the freedoms to fix/modify/distribute the software you own doesn't conflict with the idea that maybe megacorps benefiting from it should chip in a little towards the maintenance of the thing they're making megabucks off.

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Post by duncan-donuts »

winfred wrote: post #111
duncan-donuts wrote: post #49

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Why should any single person carry the weight of the person in desperate need? UBI + healthcare implies that there’s a social safety net that creates an entire network of people to carry this weight. I don’t have a clue if any implementations would successfully do this but to just throw people in desperate need to the wolves is inhumane.

I don't think people would prosper under such a system. Free health care, yes, free education, yes. Retirement for all, take care of the disabled, yes. But in my opinion, in today's society, if you take away the need for people to struggle (which UBI will do) they often end up in a worse mental and physical shape than if you make them suffer a bit. Just the way natural selection programmed us. "All basic needs are me…

If UBI is what you’re hung up on I think there’s a lot of Americans that would gladly take free education, healthcare, and retirement. Healthcare shouldn’t be a thing people should struggle through.

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Post by fjeifisjf »

pjc50 wrote: post #39
KennyFromIT wrote: post #3

Messages like these are so sad to read. The world will never realize how many people are working tirelessly behind the scenes to keep society moving forward. Cheers to all of the silent (and sometimes not so silent) people that continue to give of themselves to make this world a more wonderful place in their own little way. You all are awesome and we literally couldn't go on with our way of life without you.

I call this "Postel decentralisation": everyone thinks there's some kind of system or institution making everything work, but in fact there's just a guy doing it all on his own.

“I always wondered why somebody doesn't do something about that. then I realized I was somebody.”

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

path411 wrote: post #128
4ec0755f5522 wrote: post #110

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I wonder if UBI could be marketed politically in this way, e.g. "Finally paying for all the things you've already been using" or "Finally paying for the free labor you've based your life on" etc. type of messaging. I mean, it should be less guilt-y of course (I'm not in marketing) and somehow capture it's _society_ finally paying for the things generated by free/underpaid labor, not individual citizens, and not imply…

Sadly I think the people who are against UBI now, really don't care about anything like that. If someone is so devoid of empathy that they don't want to provide such a basic financial safety net for people in their own country from living in homelessness/poverty, I don't think they really care about paying people who's work they've used unknowingly.

I'm against UBI largely because my understanding of human nature (which could be wrong) suggests it won't work, but will take 1-2 generations for its failure to manifest.

I have a lot of empathy for others. Enough so that I'm unwilling to back polocies that I expect will cause more overall suffering in the long term.

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Post by [deleted] »

howenterprisey wrote: post #170
genewitch wrote: post #54

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There's a progression that is "forced" when you get a cancer diagnosis, especially if they have to surgically remove anything. They won't start chemo or anything else for several weeks post-op. It seems like you're trying to get appointments or whatever, but realistically, they're getting you in as soon as their liability (or patient care laws) says they can. Stage III, stage IV, doesn't matter. If they operate first…

1/2 sounds a bit high? (I'm completely ignorant on the matter, of course.)

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Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by LukeShu »

Anthony-G wrote: post #200
LukeShu wrote: post #115

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Today, the "Internet Assigned Numbers Authority" refers to an organization. But for many years it didn't refer to an organization, it was Jon Postel's title.

Upvoted – but don’t forget Joyce K. Reynolds. There’s a lovely anecdote of how the IANA operated in the early 90s in “The story of getting SSH port 22”: https://www.ssh.com/ssh/port

No disrespect toward Ms. Reynolds, certainly! But Mr. Postel had been in that role for 11 years before Ms. Reynolds joined him (1972-1983). Though it turns out that my history is a little fuzzy on the name itself; though Mr. Postel had been in the role for many years, the earliest reference to the name "IANA" that I can find is from 1988. Regardless of whether they were using the name "IANA" in 1972-1983, Mr. Postel was the sole authority during those years, and many of those who were around then would later refer to him as having been the IANA during that time.

Re: Dhcpcd Will Need a New Maintainer

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Post by Anthony-G »

LukeShu wrote: post #209
Anthony-G wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted – but don’t forget Joyce K. Reynolds. There’s a lovely anecdote of how the IANA operated in the early 90s in “The story of getting SSH port 22”: https://www.ssh.com/ssh/port

No disrespect toward Ms. Reynolds, certainly! But Mr. Postel had been in that role for 11 years before Ms. Reynolds joined him (1972-1983). Though it turns out that my history is a little fuzzy on the name itself; though Mr. Postel had been in the role for many years, the earliest reference to the name "IANA" that I can find is from 1988. Regardless of whether they were using the name "IANA" in 1972-1983, Mr. Postel…

Thanks for the historical insight. I hadn’t realised that Jon Postel’s work went that far back. I only came across the Internet in the late nineties – and though I’m aware of the existence of DARPAnet, I don’t really think of the Internet as being a “thing” until the eighties (when most of the common protocol standards I’ve read were written) so I should really find a good book on the subject.
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